misfits Makin’ it
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Episode 4 -
00:00.27
laurenlogi
Um, great well. Um, thank you Sherlly Lewis for joining us on misfitsmaking it. So jelly you um I just watched a bunch of your commercials and I laughed I cried. Um, it's.
00:04.73
shelleylewis_mac_com
Thank you for having me.
00:18.41
laurenlogi
So I wondered I mean it was just so gorgeous your work. Um just has just run the gamut of so many interesting things you've made so effective in like 30 seconds um how did you? How did you get here.
00:32.41
shelleylewis_mac_com
Um.
00:36.45
shelleylewis_mac_com
Well, um, thank you for the compliment. Um, so it's sort of interesting as you know doing all these interviews. Ah there is no straight journey for kind of world.
00:45.90
laurenlogi
Nothing.
00:49.36
shelleylewis_mac_com
And so I originally went to University did my degree in philosophy which you know has no relevance on what I do now really about the thinking part definitely about thinking but I really um after that I I decided I wanted to go into advertising and.
00:56.38
laurenlogi
Yeah, yeah for sure.
01:07.50
shelleylewis_mac_com
I was at more of a traditional school and so on a whim I applied to art college because I knew they had an advertising program and I got in and next thing I knew I was moving to toronto go into new school and and so I did that for.
01:16.11
laurenlogi
Bottom.
01:24.10
shelleylewis_mac_com
Um, a few years and then graduated and and got a job right away in advertising which was really exciting. Yeah, and so that's sort of how I started and so I started out as an art director. Um, so in advertising you work with Creative partners. So.
01:29.87
laurenlogi
Wow.
01:43.76
shelleylewis_mac_com
And art director and a copywriter and we come up with the ads together and we would write them together but I would be really in charge of the visuals and that kind of stuff and so in my first year my partner who who was a guy we wrote an ad for a tampon brand.
02:01.49
laurenlogi
Did up.
02:02.86
shelleylewis_mac_com
And um and at the time you know I was also one of those people I was I was very much like I don't want to do like traditional female advertising is that me making it noise. Oh okay, sorry.
02:17.80
laurenlogi
Um, yeah I just I just typed a question. So yeah, you're good. Yeah oh okay, okay I don't I don't hear it on my end. It looks pretty clean. Your shoe stream looks pretty clean on my eye. Whatever from what I see. Yeah if you.
02:22.60
shelleylewis_mac_com
Um, I'm hearing a lot of feedback.
02:26.60
shelleylewis_mac_com
Okay, great. Okay and are you typing to me. Okay I'm good.
02:35.72
laurenlogi
Oh no I Just typed a note for myself. Yes, no and if you and if you have headphones too that might make it easier hey help with feedback. Um, yeah.
02:44.26
shelleylewis_mac_com
Okay I Um, you know what I'm gonna stick with this because I think you'll mess up the whole system. Okay, so um, so I So my partner was male. We and one of the sorry. So one of the things about me is I always wanted to do nontraditional.
02:47.91
laurenlogi
Yeah, all good. No race. Yep.
03:01.98
shelleylewis_mac_com
Advertising I didn't want to do your typical. It definitely didn't want to do typical female ads. So when we got stuck on this tampon Brand I was like my partner and I were like we're not going to do it the same way that they've been doing it and at the time it was blue Liquid. You know in the ads. Yeah, you know and and this is a woman's body so we just we came up with this really interesting demonstration which was it. It was a white psych opened on an empty wine glass hand came in poured a bottle of wine.
03:21.50
laurenlogi
It's like what.
03:37.86
shelleylewis_mac_com
Into the glass you saw it was red wine and then another hand came in and put an an open tampon into the top of the wine bottle that hand then turned the bottle upside down held it and shook it over over a white tablecloth and it said. No tampon prevents leaks better. So so that ran for five days before it got pulled that was in Canada and but it but it really you know it started the conversation. It really started to show that we're ready for a ah change.
03:59.74
laurenlogi
Bryant.
04:13.70
laurenlogi
Yeah, so did it get pilled because of some sort of backlash or just get it pulled in terms of natural run of things.
04:13.83
shelleylewis_mac_com
So.
04:19.72
shelleylewis_mac_com
No, no it. It should have run for about a year and so it got a bunch of complaints all these letters that were people outraged that they saw a tampon and went into a wine bottle and saw bread. Yeah.
04:32.95
laurenlogi
Oh my god even though it's a cat. Oh Canada is supposed to be evolved.
04:38.54
shelleylewis_mac_com
But well and especially you didn't see red on the tampon. It was just a white clean tampon going in. So I I've thought that was sort of a badge of honor to have it pulled off to really like shake people up but and it it won an award at.
04:47.24
laurenlogi
Yep. We are.
04:56.23
shelleylewis_mac_com
In Can we have an advertising award festival and it it won there So that's a big deal. Um, so so that was sort of my beginning of advertising and then you know I had um a couple partners and I was working with this woman.
05:01.15
laurenlogi
So.
05:13.52
shelleylewis_mac_com
Um, near the end of my ad career and we were freelancing for this company and well actually I've I've just thought I'd tell you like you know what? it's like to be so I guess part of my journey is a female in.
05:24.69
laurenlogi
Yeah.
05:31.39
shelleylewis_mac_com
In my business world and in advertising it was pretty pretty good. There were quite a few of us but there were still obstacles that we had to come up against and personally I always saw those obstacles more as just a challenge like it was like.
05:47.35
laurenlogi
And.
05:50.13
shelleylewis_mac_com
I'm female. You're not going to keep me away from doing this I'm going to do it regardless and so I'd find my way around it and so I found I was working with a female partner. Um, and we were asked to relax on a beer on a beer commercial and.
05:56.49
laurenlogi
Ah, um.
06:09.87
shelleylewis_mac_com
So we wrote these scripts and it was a really high profile beer company and the ads were really like funny, funny ads and so we wrote scripts and we found out that we were not allowed to present our work to the client. The client would fly in.
06:24.52
laurenlogi
And.
06:27.88
shelleylewis_mac_com
Um, from America and they would go right to the strip bar and the male creative team would show up right afterwards and they didn't have a choice they had to go to the strip bar and they would present all the work and they presented 1 of our scripts and the client loved it. And it was chosen and it was made but it had to be made by these 2 guys because the client was never to know that we as women worked on it. Yeah.
06:47.75
laurenlogi
And.
06:57.30
laurenlogi
That's wild that is wild. It's back to like you know sir like pen names kind of thing.
07:01.51
shelleylewis_mac_com
Yeah, yeah, yeah, and this wasn't that long ago. So but anyway you know I continued my partner and I we were known as this female team that wrote really like dark stuff. You know our stuff was always challenging. And pushing the status quo and there came a time where I was just sort of thinking more about the visual aspect and what would this look like and sorry there's somebody at the door. Can you hold on for 1 sec.
07:28.33
laurenlogi
Man. Oh yeah, yeah, no, no.
07:40.93
shelleylewis_mac_com
Um, well sorry I'm in the middle of the meeting I recorded picky just sit the there I'm so sorry was a bit. Okay.
07:53.50
shelleylewis_mac_com
Hi Sorry about that.
07:56.74
laurenlogi
Oh good. My I my family over and um I was interviewing someone who's like parents were in the cia in India and she's like yeah and so I was in the middle of commando training and then like knock knock back. My uncle's like I got brownies for you I'm like um like.
08:03.40
shelleylewis_mac_com
Um, oh wow.
08:11.58
shelleylewis_mac_com
Ah, oh my God Oh that's so funny. Um, okay, so um, so I I got to the point in my ad career where I found that I was more interested in making the commercial I was.
08:14.56
laurenlogi
Ah.
08:26.70
shelleylewis_mac_com
Was like visualizing like what's it going to look like and what's the style of film and you know what's the genre and less interested in actually coming up with the ideas and doing all the other work and so I decided that I would transition to directing and it's had been.
08:27.65
laurenlogi
Oh.
08:39.70
laurenlogi
Ah.
08:45.90
shelleylewis_mac_com
Done before in my business there were there were a few guys that had become um, very successful Tv commercial directors that were ex art directors or writers. But there were no women that I knew of and there were also.
08:52.51
laurenlogi
We have.
09:03.17
shelleylewis_mac_com
Very few female directors that I knew I I had a couple friends that were female directors and you know and it was at a time where ah you know it was really hard to get work as a woman director but I was I'd always been that person that was.
09:16.47
laurenlogi
Um.
09:20.39
shelleylewis_mac_com
Up for the challenge I was like you know what doesn't matter this matter I can do it I could figure it out my work will stand out and so I I left my job and I did this thing where I freelanced for six months and then I would film for six months and the freelance.
09:26.53
laurenlogi
Yep.
09:39.60
shelleylewis_mac_com
Was what paid for my my real because it's expensive right? And and so my.
09:45.82
laurenlogi
Yeah, so you freelance you mean like you freelance and then you filmed um like projects that you were working on you mean or yeah.
09:51.38
shelleylewis_mac_com
Yeah, so so the way it did it is I would freelance set a bunch of different ad agencies as an art director like my old career and they would pay me and then I would take six months off and I would work on scripts for my for for real. So that I had because you can't as a director you have to have work in order to be represented the way it works is you want to join a production company. The production company is almost like your agent in in you know, um in acting world and so but.
10:12.14
laurenlogi
Ah, wow.
10:25.00
laurenlogi
Yeah.
10:29.50
shelleylewis_mac_com
There are the people that go out and get you work. There's reps that find you work so without a production company. It can be really difficult to at least back then to to get work but in order for a production company to bring you on you have to have.
10:42.50
laurenlogi
Now.
10:48.13
shelleylewis_mac_com
So but commercials that show that you're good at what you do and what's your genre right.
10:51.90
laurenlogi
Wow, that's amazing. You took six months of the year to do that I mean that's incredible like that's it's such a leap.
10:57.27
shelleylewis_mac_com
Yeah, yes, yeah, and and and so what I did was I collaborated with my old writing partners and they wrote scripts for me or I'd write scripts with them and then I would take those scripts and.
11:10.86
laurenlogi
Local 8
11:16.91
shelleylewis_mac_com
You know we'd figure out a brand and give it to the brand and then I would pay for the crew and pull a crew together and film it and then um I worked with an editor that or editors that I had worked with in the past mostly this one woman. You know someone that I'd been collaborating with for years already and all these people came together that I'd worked with on the other side of the business came together to help me put together this real. Yeah and so by the end I had.
11:47.27
laurenlogi
Wow, That's incredible.
11:53.54
shelleylewis_mac_com
5 pieces like music video and 4 commercials that I was really happy with and and and that's how I launched but but to get there. You know it was challenging because I only had the income of that six months and then.
11:59.52
laurenlogi
Wow.
12:09.35
laurenlogi
Yeah.
12:12.50
shelleylewis_mac_com
And then I had to make this stuff and so and I was also I was also dating a guy who was in um, a band and he was in a well-known band and they were touring all the time So I would they they would invite me to join them sometimes so so I just.
12:20.82
laurenlogi
Ah.
12:29.76
laurenlogi
Tya.
12:30.98
shelleylewis_mac_com
Get on the tour bus but I still I wasn't filming so I need to be making money right? like I couldn't give up this precious time for my career. So a creative director um the same one that let me do the beer ads um, allowed me to work remotely and that.
12:36.95
laurenlogi
Yep.
12:50.17
shelleylewis_mac_com
For that period of time was unheard of like nobody worked remotely and especially on a tour bus with a band sit but he but he thought it was hilarious. He he loved the story of it. He loved that I would be on.
12:56.49
laurenlogi
Yeah. Yeah.
13:04.25
shelleylewis_mac_com
On the bus scribbling down these scripts I would get to the venue I'd run inside get the pay phone and and present the scripts to him and then he could hear the music in the background and I had to get off the phone.
13:16.76
laurenlogi
That's amazing. That's so fun. That's so fun and so you ah how many like how long did it how many years of the six months on six months off did it take to get to launch. Wow.
13:23.80
shelleylewis_mac_com
It took a year and a half yeah so it was yeah it and it took money right? So all my all my money at the time when.
13:33.90
laurenlogi
Wow.
13:40.43
shelleylewis_mac_com
You know, a lot of my friends were getting married. They're startinging families buying their first home I was changing my career and at at that time I had a boyfriend but eventually we split up and I had to take the next step which was like okay I've got my real I'm ready. To be a director and now and I had a production company that was interested in me. Um, called seniva and the Exec producer had been sort of mentoring me through this process because he had heard through the grape vine I was making the change and so.
14:01.26
laurenlogi
Ah.
14:19.70
shelleylewis_mac_com
We had this really great relationship and he brought me on but you know the first year was hard because I was mostly doing projects that were free because I wanted stuff from my reel and I was.
14:33.96
laurenlogi
Yep.
14:35.92
shelleylewis_mac_com
You know, not making any money I was living on like 25 $30000 and after having like a great advertising salary. So it was ah it was a huge change for me but I was so focused on what my end goal was.
14:44.60
laurenlogi
Um.
14:55.72
shelleylewis_mac_com
and and I remember you know my family. Ah, they didn't live in Toronto um, but they were very supportive emotionally of me and you know and would send food home and home and stuff like that and my mom would.
15:09.42
laurenlogi
Ah.
15:13.38
shelleylewis_mac_com
Send me while I was doing all this. She'd write little cards and send them in the mail and they would have some sort of inspirational quote or inspirational thought of how she knew I could do this and and it was stuff like that that kept me going that and friends inviting me over for dinner all the time.
15:32.51
laurenlogi
That's all and you were in toronto at this time.
15:34.90
shelleylewis_mac_com
Yeah, yeah, so that's I spent once I graduated from philosophy I moved to Toronto and I was living in Toronto the the whole time and from ah London ontario yes, there's another London um, but then you know.
15:44.18
laurenlogi
Um.
15:51.54
shelleylewis_mac_com
So Then what happened was I was doing these free jobs and they were super creative and I was winning awards with them and people were starting to get to know me and the people that I'd worked for before um as an art director hired me as and a director. But. But actually I'll step back a little bit when I launched myself as I said it was at a time when you know female directors nobody really they didn't We didn't exist and so I I curated my work so that it would come across as.
16:21.52
laurenlogi
Okay, yeah.
16:30.11
laurenlogi
Oh.
16:30.40
shelleylewis_mac_com
Male. So no one would know it still had my it was my voice but it was like I've been writing beer ads I'd been writing you know all these different working on different projects like I wasn't going to suddenly become all girly girly and do like super feminine things. So.
16:46.37
laurenlogi
Yeah.
16:48.78
shelleylewis_mac_com
It was comedy. It was like smart, beautiful comedy comedy that looked good because that didn't really exist at the time and um and I changed like kept my name is Lewis I didn't go as Shelley it was just my last name Lewis. And I didn't want people to know I was female I wanted them to look up my reel fall in love with my work and then get me on a call and then find out that I was female and and then they'd be in. Yeah oh my god.
17:15.51
laurenlogi
Yep Wow Wow. Did you ever have people be surprised like ah at like let their surprise show.
17:23.72
shelleylewis_mac_com
I had I was at is a board meeting and um, this guy came in and I was sitting at the board in the boardroom table and my exec was there and this this other guy and so we were sitting and chatting and he's like okay.
17:32.24
laurenlogi
And here.
17:39.57
shelleylewis_mac_com
So I got to get going soon. So like when's the director coming I was like oh I'm Lewis I'm the director. He's like oh I thought I thought it was some guy I was like like really caught him off guard and you know that that happened. That one actually didn't go any further than that I don't know if it was he just wasn't interested in what I was selling or or that I was female but that project didn't go further but the other projects did like when people were surprised. They're kind of like oh this is cool. This is great I had no idea.
18:13.19
laurenlogi
Yeah, yeah, Wow Cool and you have a lot so much tongue and cheek humor in your work where did this where did you like the humor come from. Were you following comedy like what's your journey and humor.
18:16.14
shelleylewis_mac_com
It was yeah.
18:28.23
shelleylewis_mac_com
Um, we my family It's from my family I've grown up with a family that has a very very dark sarcastic sense of humor and from a young age. Um that has always influenced me and.
18:32.85
laurenlogi
So.
18:40.36
laurenlogi
But.
18:48.14
shelleylewis_mac_com
You know you'd get. You would get more not more attention but you could hold your own in the family if you had witty fast retorts back and and I think you know and I I grew up doing sports I grew up. Um you know I was on the varsity rowing team in.
18:57.31
laurenlogi
Yep.
19:07.51
shelleylewis_mac_com
In University I did all this stuff that was just like maybe like a bit more mainstream. You know my family. My family wasn't mainstream like my my parents got married when they were teenagers. My grandparents got married when they were teenagers. You know we lived, my parents were like.
19:15.81
laurenlogi
Yep.
19:22.41
laurenlogi
Um.
19:27.60
shelleylewis_mac_com
Kids raising kids and so everything was like really playful and you could do anything my grandfather always never treated me like a girl. He treated me like a person and for that generation back in those days to do that. That was really unique and so.
19:27.75
laurenlogi
Yeah.
19:38.40
laurenlogi
Oh.
19:45.78
shelleylewis_mac_com
When I went to university I think I kind of toned down my personality because I was trying to fit in a little bit and I remember this woman who's my best friend now we've been friends for a couple of years and one day she's like when did you get so.
19:52.31
laurenlogi
So.
20:03.49
shelleylewis_mac_com
Funny but I was like what but I but I realized she was getting to know me and I was feeling comfortable with her like I felt like with my family and so humor came out more and and then you know I was really like.
20:15.60
laurenlogi
Right? I.
20:22.59
shelleylewis_mac_com
I loved Bill Murray Films I watched Bill Murray all yeah I watched I've watched stripes I don't watch movies ah in repeat very often. But I've watched stripes probably about.
20:26.25
laurenlogi
I Could see that now that you say that that makes sense. Yeah.
20:41.81
shelleylewis_mac_com
50 or 60 times that and and night court was another one and those two films growing up I was you know a teenager growing up watching them watching the humor understanding sort of the the comedic pause I think that sort of inspired me and then.
20:44.83
laurenlogi
Ah.
21:01.33
shelleylewis_mac_com
When I got into advertising you know you get people if it's witty you you pull people in and when we are 2 women working together and being funny. You know people were kind of like surprised about that I don't know why? so.
21:08.13
laurenlogi
Yeah.
21:18.81
laurenlogi
Well let that you know there was so much discrimination at that time of like women and there still is you know like women can't be funny or whatever. Um, yeah.
21:21.80
shelleylewis_mac_com
Yeah, like yeah, but but it really all the comedy just came from just doing it just writing it to be honest.
21:34.24
laurenlogi
That's great I mean I think that's yeah, just like how do people get funny. You just do it. You do it a lot for you know for everyone in comedy. Yeah for sure and your visuals too are are so beautiful and I'm wondering like I asked this because I've heard.
21:40.20
shelleylewis_mac_com
Comment. Yeah.
21:50.21
laurenlogi
Different directors talk about like how they get their inspiration like Barbara Streisand and this is I mean what a budget she had she flew to europe to study when she was directing to study Rembrandt paintings that she wanted to look to have you know she went on this trip to Europe for her research purposes the film budget I guess paid for it.
22:04.44
shelleylewis_mac_com
Yeah, so.
22:09.86
laurenlogi
Um, so um, where do you get your inspiration.
22:11.49
shelleylewis_mac_com
Well, it's funny. You say that because I have this philosophy which is why I think the director Lifestyle is such a different lifestyle from every day because.
22:28.37
laurenlogi
Ah.
22:28.58
shelleylewis_mac_com
You know when I was working at an ad an ad agency I went into an office every single day and it was that building as a director when I have free time if I'm not on set or if I'm not writing then I'm working and my working is I'm going to art galleries I'm going.
22:34.16
laurenlogi
Um.
22:47.68
shelleylewis_mac_com
Um, to a different part of the town city I haven't been before something that's like really gritty and and unusual and dirty. You know, rather than pristine and and beautiful or I'll go on a trip and I will go to Europe and I've always every time i. You know I always revolve my trips around art in some way. Um, so you know going to art galleries like you say that about Meryl Streep it's so funny because when I was in sorry Robert Streisan when I was in art school.
23:12.84
laurenlogi
Um.
23:17.52
laurenlogi
And brabas dryand Barbara Straand yeah yeah
23:23.97
shelleylewis_mac_com
My trip to Europe revolved around where the galleries were and going to gallery after gallery after gallery and then as I've become more film oriented it it film does a lot to to influence me and and.
23:31.37
laurenlogi
Ah.
23:42.82
shelleylewis_mac_com
In the way of like telling me what to put out there. It's more you know the whole theory of you need to know the rules in order to break them so I watch you know when I'm stuck I will throw on the criterion Channel and I'll just watch a random movie I won't know.
23:51.92
laurenlogi
Gap.
24:02.72
shelleylewis_mac_com
Who the director is I'll just pick an era and sometimes it's like 1930 s and sometimes it's eighty s sometimes it's female directors. Sometimes it's male or or black male. You know it's it's always very different. It could be documentary or whatever and I'm constantly thinking about it. So that I can think differently because once I see that stuff like they're not relevant most of them have no relevance to the kind of work that I do but but the language the film language seeps in you know there might be a really.
24:25.82
laurenlogi
Um.
24:33.70
laurenlogi
Yep.
24:40.80
shelleylewis_mac_com
Interesting shot that I want to try my own version of somewhere else like I was ah was watching the player the other day with Robert Robert Altman directed it and he was being interviewed and he talked about his 8 minute opening shot and the fact that.
24:46.48
laurenlogi
Yep.
24:59.25
shelleylewis_mac_com
You know, no one had done 8 minutes before and so so I find things like that really really inspiring also fashion like clothing patterns I can sew I'm not great at it but I can sew. So.
25:02.65
laurenlogi
Ah.
25:10.40
laurenlogi
Um.
25:13.20
laurenlogi
And here.
25:15.74
shelleylewis_mac_com
As a kid I was always going to fabric stores and looking at the different textures and different things and you'd never know it now because my wardrobe is mostly black, but there was a period of time especially when I Um, when I was making when I was in. Advertising still I was kind of feeling my way around about being different and that was the moment that where I suddenly changed and I started wearing wigs and I started wearing really bright colors and patterns and.
25:40.91
laurenlogi
Um, ah.
25:49.10
laurenlogi
How yeah.
25:53.42
shelleylewis_mac_com
Really weird outfits and I would make my own outfits and put them together and you'd never know that looking at how boring I look now but all that stuff just sort of you know accumulates and and I do you know I'm building sets sometimes or.
26:09.33
laurenlogi
Yeah.
26:12.16
shelleylewis_mac_com
Or I'm shooting in a 1970 s space but I want everything around it to feel maybe a little bit fashiony or modern or you know, whatever it is I pick I pick the air I pick the moment I pick what it looks like and. And that has a huge influence on my work.
26:30.29
laurenlogi
What kind of art. Do you go find when you're traveling.
26:35.21
shelleylewis_mac_com
Um, ah, it's always modern, always modern art and and I think the reason is I feel like I'm really attracted to stuff that is in reaction to something. So.
26:49.52
laurenlogi
Um.
26:50.85
shelleylewis_mac_com
Modern art was in reaction to the old traditional paintings and especially the religious paintings so that really appealed to me. You know that moment ah of change. Um, also how war influenced a lot of things too like the um.
26:54.40
laurenlogi
And.
27:10.39
shelleylewis_mac_com
The old german propaganda posters you know I find that really interesting or um, sort of the Ussr the the posters that came out of there or the posters that have come out of.
27:12.75
laurenlogi
And.
27:21.55
laurenlogi
Oh.
27:27.51
shelleylewis_mac_com
Any time of resistance you know like the civil rights movement all that stuff like I'm always seeking out that stuff at the moment of change and I and I do the same with film too. Um, you know the new Wave directors. Ah right now.
27:39.55
laurenlogi
Um.
27:46.38
laurenlogi
Ah.
27:46.57
shelleylewis_mac_com
I'm into the the new director which was the seventy s you know when they were going from Marilyn Monroe style films to easy rider and Bonnie and Clyde that kind of stuff mash and and so there seems to be if.
28:00.30
laurenlogi
Yeah.
28:05.85
shelleylewis_mac_com
Theme for me. It's always about breaking the mold. Ah, it's about change and also something now that I can get more interested in and behind is watching film from women.
28:11.90
laurenlogi
Yeah.
28:21.83
laurenlogi
Yeah, and I think like you bring up such a great point of that like you're making a specific art form and you can get inspiration from other art forms. You don't just need to like and you probably shouldn't only feed on the things in your genre you go feed somewhere else.
28:23.72
shelleylewis_mac_com
Right.
28:39.94
laurenlogi
Because otherwise you're just recycling in many ways.
28:41.44
shelleylewis_mac_com
Yeah, yeah, and I also think that you know I think there's less now but there is this sort of stereotype of what advertising is right? and the kind.
28:56.80
laurenlogi
Yep.
28:56.80
shelleylewis_mac_com
Mean you've seen my work so the kind of advertising I do it's it's like little mini short films in 30 seconds um but I feel that advertising when done right? and I know it's problematic times because you are selling products but there is way.
29:01.82
laurenlogi
Huh.
29:14.76
shelleylewis_mac_com
There is a way to impact culture and to really create change and and to me that's been really important and and I've tried to include that in my in my work and you know if it's showing now that I can be female and use my name.
29:32.73
laurenlogi
Um.
29:33.81
shelleylewis_mac_com
Um I have been focusing more on you know, female stories and what that looks like and my whole philosophy is it takes ah a year or two to do a film right? or a Tv show so when when culture is changing. You're not going to see that change on the screen for a while.
29:45.91
laurenlogi
No.
29:52.49
laurenlogi
And.
29:53.74
shelleylewis_mac_com
But in tv commercial I can work on a script and it's going to be on-air in two months and so by using people of color. You know, finally being able to show someone other than a white guy in the commercial or you know assist white guy.
30:00.83
laurenlogi
Ah.
30:08.95
laurenlogi
Ah.
30:13.61
shelleylewis_mac_com
You know you can really represent the world and that's the other thing that I like about it and and so I think my politics influence me my my um you know I've always been about about equality for people.
30:14.64
laurenlogi
Yep.
30:33.32
shelleylewis_mac_com
And who need it. There's a lot of fun and and so that is a really big influencer in my work even though you might not see it as clearly as it feels to me because I am working in the constraint of a brand.
30:34.38
laurenlogi
Yeah, yeah, yeah for sure.
30:49.76
laurenlogi
Right? I mean I feel it I mean I feel like it's like the casting choices that were made and it's like the the empathy that that you're able to give and you do have like the pro the demonstration the climate change project you work on and even um I thought the the dance.
31:06.97
shelleylewis_mac_com
Smooth.
31:09.45
laurenlogi
Project you work on I felt like it was so I felt like Wow you really captured that like the gender um exploration. It felt like they were exploring gender and that's what was happening in in the film. Um, so it just like I feel like I feel I.
31:22.79
shelleylewis_mac_com
Um, yeah.
31:28.52
laurenlogi
I feel like this way a lot too like I feel like I do these characters and and then I do stand up and sometimes I'm not like hitting things over the head I've like given up I don't want to hit anything over the head. Um, and even when I did melania Trump impersonation I would do these like esoteric sometimes oblique things.
31:36.70
shelleylewis_mac_com
Um, yeah.
31:47.57
laurenlogi
And I'm like well you know what? if you want to get it. You have to pay attention I don't know what to tell you like it's high. It's like it's all in there I I don't know what to do I can I can't dictate for you. But um, you know, but do you ever feel like you're not understood.
32:01.61
shelleylewis_mac_com
Um, yeah.
32:06.86
shelleylewis_mac_com
I Don't do that it I don't think I feel like I'm not understood
What's happened since the metoo movement is that in my business in particular it has opened up. It has opened up for women specifically and a lot of other people that that are considered minorities in the business right.
32:28.22
laurenlogi
I hope.
32:45.72
shelleylewis_mac_com
And and that's amazing. Um, but it's slow. It's slow and and I am one of the people that is helping to make these changes because I'm the person that sort of came up when.
32:46.60
laurenlogi
Yep.
32:49.60
laurenlogi
Yeah.
33:03.98
shelleylewis_mac_com
There weren't opportunities and so so I'm still pushing through and I'm still like trying to be at the top of my my game and for the most part I see a lot less work than the guys that are at the same level as me do see. But.
33:06.33
laurenlogi
Yep.
33:20.20
laurenlogi
Mm.
33:23.86
shelleylewis_mac_com
Take advantage of that and and so when you know there's this thing called um, it was called free the bid and now it's called free the work and it was started by this female director Alma and the whole idea was to get ad agencies and clients to agree to have.
33:32.79
laurenlogi
Um.
33:41.35
shelleylewis_mac_com
1 woman bidding on every project first. It was one woman and then it was you know? ah you know someone that that's underrepresented um project which is I think fantastic and even if they because when you're pitching you pitch against um.
33:42.56
laurenlogi
And.
33:51.50
laurenlogi
Ah.
33:58.20
shelleylewis_mac_com
Generally, you're 1 of 3 directors that's pitching on a job and if you win the project then it's yours and you get paid and if you don't you go on to pitch another one and so ah, sometimes they were pitching 3 male directors and then um, someone who's underrepresented.
34:00.71
laurenlogi
M.
34:08.53
laurenlogi
Yep.
34:17.38
shelleylewis_mac_com
And a lot of times you feel like you're just you know there as a token but I'm okay with that because I just like before I just try to I take advantage of it like if if they're going to get me if they're going to.
34:18.22
laurenlogi
Ah.
34:22.70
laurenlogi
Oh.
34:36.72
shelleylewis_mac_com
Sit and listen to a pitch of mine then I'm going to pitch as hard as I can and I've had to do that for every project because there's less opportunities. So every single time I'm up to bat I have to hit on a home run. You know I don't have those In-betweens and so.
34:52.90
laurenlogi
Um, yeah.
34:55.92
shelleylewis_mac_com
What I've found is because of that kind of mentality Sometimes I've won the project and nobody's expected me to and then other times I'm like it's between me and another guy and then they come back to me for another project. So.
35:04.20
laurenlogi
Um, probably out.
35:14.62
shelleylewis_mac_com
It's just I wish that there were I wish that that it's It's a it's a weird bias because you don't really see it but you still feel it like the majority of the work is still being done by mostly male directors.
35:30.48
laurenlogi
Um, yeah, and that's ah I've done a bunch of commercials and I and I had come across your Instagram profile and I was like wait a commercial director who's not ah like a this head. Why did I'm like what ah is something i. Haven't really encountered before and um, one of the reasons I definitely wanted to talk to you? Um, and what would you if you had your druthers like what would be your you said you want more work would it be more commercial work are there other things you've been dreaming up.
35:45.89
shelleylewis_mac_com
Um, yeah.
36:00.70
shelleylewis_mac_com
Yeah I mean commercial work one ah hundred percent because I really enjoy I really enjoy doing commercials when when it's like that beautiful storytelling. You know you you look at Lance Cord's work and he does really beautiful storytelling or Mike Mills he doesn't do as many commercials now. But.
36:16.64
laurenlogi
Ah, her.
36:17.74
shelleylewis_mac_com
I Always admired his kind of storytelling and that's the kind of work I would love to be able to do like you know and I'm getting there I'm getting there like when I did the pet smart one that was a really fun opportunity to to do when the people were all singing and.
36:23.44
laurenlogi
4 then.
36:31.82
laurenlogi
And.
36:36.95
shelleylewis_mac_com
You know? but I also I also want to I do want to do Tv I do want to do feature films and so I am writing stuff and you know it's very hard to eat. It's another transition. It's another I say it's hard but it's exciting because. It's one of those challenges like how do I transition into doing all this other stuff and and so you know there are a lot of things that I am doing like I am I am um, shadowing on Tv shows I am writing my own short film.
36:55.68
laurenlogi
Yep.
37:14.10
shelleylewis_mac_com
Um, I you know I have ideas about things like that and and it's a process right? You have to keep all of these things going because as soon as a commercial comes in everything my life goes on hold and then I'm focusing on on that right.
37:27.64
laurenlogi
Yeah, yeah, it's like people that my friend had a great diagram. It was like a triangle and like the the part above the water was just the tip of the triangle and that's the part you see in an artist's work and then there's the all the other stuff that you don't.
37:40.42
shelleylewis_mac_com
Yeah, yeah, that you don't and then on top of that I mean if you looked at my work. It is very diverse the kind of work that I do and you know I've got work that is running gun filming I have work that it's building.
37:50.51
laurenlogi
And her.
37:59.94
laurenlogi
Yeah.
38:00.32
shelleylewis_mac_com
Sets and everything is like color matching and then I have work that you know doing a dance film Festival I was commissioned to do that dance film and I didn't know anything about dancing. So.
38:09.15
laurenlogi
And f.
38:14.87
shelleylewis_mac_com
I Had to do the work I had to do the research I talked to people that were dancers and talked to to people that had worked on dance films before and I started to dive into the film genre to see what what exists and then you know when I was doing the pet smart one which is like the musical genre again.
38:32.25
laurenlogi
Enough.
38:34.87
shelleylewis_mac_com
I went back and looked at you know, ah everything that that is out there so that I could get a sense of who I wanted to be for this and I do visual effects I worked on um the stage the virtual production stage called the volume that. They shoot the Mandalorian in and all of that stuff takes time and research and and that's what you got to do in your downtime So you're going to an art gallery or you're you're watching something online or you're going and you know going to a seminar or going to a talk that.
38:53.61
laurenlogi
Death.
39:13.31
shelleylewis_mac_com
Um, you know Zadie Smith is giving because you just like her writing right.
39:17.41
laurenlogi
Yeah, yeah, and if feel has like too like you're definitely on the always on the cutting edge of technology like you were saying like the Phantom cameras and then also like the sport tech commercial like it was just I mean but when I watch that I I show that to my partner I was like look at this and it was just like.
39:24.24
shelleylewis_mac_com
Um, yeah.
39:36.84
laurenlogi
Mindblowing you have 3 screens you got it. Everyone needs to go check it out. You have like and there's a behind the scenes video too and there's like a screen above the actors and screens around the actors. They don't move but it looks like they're moving and all of the and it's not green screen I mean it's also.
39:51.48
shelleylewis_mac_com
Um.
39:55.42
laurenlogi
Like what a joy as an actor to like actually have the stuff be in the place.
39:59.95
shelleylewis_mac_com
Yeah, well and that's why I think the volume can be really interesting for actors because you're not shooting on a green screen. You have things to interact with um, it also lighting but it's it's just it's really interesting because it's a whole new way of thinking and again.
40:03.34
laurenlogi
Yeah.
40:16.85
shelleylewis_mac_com
I had to teach myself that process and do do it. But you know that's also been one of my themes. Um because I didn't go to art school I mean I did go to art school sorry I didn't go to film school and I didn't know a lot about film but I was like I'm going to do this and so.
40:18.66
laurenlogi
Wow.
40:36.29
shelleylewis_mac_com
As soon as I started to do it I was reading books about Cinematography I was learning about lensing I was you know learning as much as I could about film and I was still shooting on film because the transition hadn't fully happened to digital yet and then.
40:51.46
laurenlogi
Ahead.
40:54.70
shelleylewis_mac_com
As soon as we got into digital I made sure I was like 1 of the first people in my community doing it shooting on cameras that people hadn't used yet and finding ways to do it because I found the more I know especially being female that the more knowledgeable I am the more experienced I have.
41:00.42
laurenlogi
For.
41:13.92
shelleylewis_mac_com
You know there's a better reason to you know want to give me a project where I can have that creative freedom and people do like people trust me with that.
41:21.19
laurenlogi
Yeah, yeah I mean it was my manner says like you have to be undeniable like undeniable. So what? yeah is a question. We always ask everyone? Um, what was.
41:27.98
shelleylewis_mac_com
Um, yeah.
41:36.15
laurenlogi
The moment you knew we call it our misfit moment when you knew that the traditional life was not for you.
41:45.10
shelleylewis_mac_com
Um, so it was after I'd finished University or I finished University I finished art college and I was in the world. The workforce for about a year and I was really I was in advertising and suddenly I started to feel. Like I could be creative I could be different I could be like I could be myself and I started to feel suffocated by my life and I just decided that I was going to change everything.
42:13.19
laurenlogi
Ah.
42:17.80
shelleylewis_mac_com
And so I broke up with my boyfriend that I lived with who was a really nice guy but he but he was on a more traditional trajectory than I was and I I started saying yes to everything I was not allowed to say no and so that put me into all kinds of different.
42:23.57
laurenlogi
Never.
42:37.26
shelleylewis_mac_com
Environments and situations that I wasn't expecting and then I started I was like okay I'm going to play around with fashion I'm going to play around with the way that I look and I started wearing wigs and I started wearing all these I was going vintage shopping and I'd find like this vintage.
42:41.89
laurenlogi
Um.
42:55.22
shelleylewis_mac_com
A slip that was mostly lace at the bottom in a hot pink and I'd wear that as a skirt and with my cleopatra black wig and my fake eye lashes and and I remember going to a party and I ran into someone that I used to go to so to University with.
43:01.16
laurenlogi
No bit.
43:14.75
shelleylewis_mac_com
And he looked at me and he said oh my God Why are you wearing a wig. Why are you so weird now and I was like and I was like this is it like yes, that was my moment.
43:21.90
laurenlogi
Love that? Yes, yes, yes, this is this is the this is the sad I Love it. Hell yes.
43:35.94
shelleylewis_mac_com
Um, this.
43:41.40
laurenlogi
Hell yes I love this because I used to throw a party called Victoria and we would have a dress up booth for people to get dress up in different wigs and outfits and makeup and and put on sometimes you just need to change the outside it changes the outside I'm a physical actor. So I really believe that just do it just throw it on.
43:58.67
shelleylewis_mac_com
Um, yeah, yeah and I never look back.
43:58.96
laurenlogi
It happens. Hell yeah, hell you? Yeah, um, do we also have Um, we also ask people. Um, what their misfit inspiration is so inspiration if you will what you might read look to. When you have those down moments.
44:18.48
shelleylewis_mac_com
So for me, um I Ah, let me see how do I say it I I mentioned it a little bit earlier I actually go to the criterion Channel and I will pull out a film that I haven't seen before that I know nothing about. And I will watch that and I will like fully immerse myself in it and then the other part of that is I read biographies I read biographies of successful people and they might be. They might be creative. They might not be creative I Really like to hear.
44:45.37
laurenlogi
A.
44:55.34
shelleylewis_mac_com
How hard people's Journeys have been and and how they come around the other side and I think I I think it makes me feel like there's a kinship and it allows me to feel that whatever I'm doing you know.
44:56.70
laurenlogi
Her.
45:14.93
shelleylewis_mac_com
I can find my own path because the hardest thing I find in my business is the path isn't set up for you right? if I wanted to be a lawyer I mean yeah there there's like ups and downs of course. But you know what that path is and you go and work. But.
45:22.13
laurenlogi
Yeah, yeah, right.
45:33.28
laurenlogi
Yep.
45:34.69
shelleylewis_mac_com
With ours like you know there's a turn at every corner like I'm working on a script here is that going to lead to something I don't know or I get a call for a Tv commercial and I go do that commercial is that or a music video or I meet somebody like I just don't know what that path is and so. Seeing different people's paths written out on paper actually makes me feel normal in my in my yeah.
46:03.20
laurenlogi
Yeah I was like you don't feel Crazy. You're like yeah, just like other people so much as when I interview people on this podcast I'm like oh yeah, I'm not crazy like it's like it's all the things that you see and you feel and like yeah I Also like to read biographies as Well. And um, you're like oh okay. I get it like it's It's always hard and no one ever knows what they're doing.
46:22.77
shelleylewis_mac_com
No no, they don't and then the other thing that I do um is so when I've done a big project and I come home and I'm exhausted and I need to start something new I Um, it's kind of like clean and. And reorganize like I will fully reorganize a room or fully reorganize a bookshelf or clean out clothing or something that um makes everything feel new and and fresh again and it drives my husband nuts.
46:40.41
laurenlogi
Then.
46:57.35
shelleylewis_mac_com
But but it is it's It's a way of reorganizing my brain.
47:03.29
laurenlogi
Total Julia Cameron recommends this and the artists way. Did you get it from that wow well, that's amazing I find I like to clean my bathtub after like ah something really big.
47:05.34
shelleylewis_mac_com
Um, no no I actually haven't read that. That's one that I haven't read ah I need to? yeah yes, it's It's weird right? but works.
47:19.63
laurenlogi
Yeah's helpful. Yeah, it feels you just like I just need to clean I need to like you know I need to put everything away that I've used for this project and need to just like kind of get it visually and spiritually like out of my self just a real rest from it too. Yeah.
47:32.37
shelleylewis_mac_com
Um, yeah, yeah.
47:37.89
laurenlogi
Um, cool I have a question from one of my characters actually Carmella is doing my character Carmel is doing the the mini episodes these days. Um, so she's getting a lot of air time but she really wanted to come through so she's coming. She's coming for you. Okay, um, ah.
47:45.18
shelleylewis_mac_com
What.
47:52.65
shelleylewis_mac_com
Should I be afraid.
47:57.00
laurenlogi
Know I don't know but people ah people tend to like her I don't know but she's she's got some lip but ah I shellley has a go and I'm Carmela Ref Foia coming from bolk over to in Florida for all her things. Don't listen to her she gets to all whatever she's she gets embarrased to me sometimes but the thing is.
48:02.00
shelleylewis_mac_com
Um.
48:16.43
laurenlogi
I'm very entertaining. so okay so listen um I'm in bokker ritona from Brooklyn originally you know people I go back I go back up to New York though you know for family parties and other shit. So now. Everyone's coming down to Florida all these people are coming down and they're crowding me out and I can't stand it so I just and there's too much traffic I Left New York because I don't want to deal with traffic and now there's all this traffic in Florida you're great at advertising. How can I make a commercial to convince people not to come to Florida.
48:56.87
shelleylewis_mac_com
Ah, well, that's easy. Um, basically you just have to think about you know what it? What is your biggest deterrent to get people not to come to Florida.
49:08.38
laurenlogi
To God Not people ask maybe I say we don't want you or something I don't know but they don't care.
49:14.68
shelleylewis_mac_com
Yeah, yeah, you could do that you could I mean basically you just have to figure out what is your idea? What is you don't want people to come to Florida so how do you approach it. Do you approach it from a perspective of being really blatant about it. Um, and just telling them not to. Or do you use reverse psychology and do you promote these other places that they should be going to instead or do you because you know there's a lot of right now. There's a lot of material out there that is showing the death and decay. Of all our major cities but you know when you live in these major cities. It doesn't look like the visuals are'c sendinging. So I don't know if that's the right way because I think people are really you know they they're skeptical of that. So I think you.
49:52.11
laurenlogi
Yeah, it's just yeah.
50:06.60
shelleylewis_mac_com
Just have to find a way to attract them to the places you want them to go.
50:15.16
laurenlogi
I like this maybe I could I like the reverse psychology thing. So maybe I could just instead of Florida you know they always have the palm trees and stuff I'll just have a pile of garbage there we go I'm just gonna Florida that's the new logo I'm just gonna have Florida over the pile of garbage.
50:26.28
shelleylewis_mac_com
Um, yeah, yeah.
50:32.74
shelleylewis_mac_com
Well and then and then you can do and then you show then you know the other palm trees in California right? and showing. Um if it's for retiree people someone in their leisure suit hanging out with their glamorous glasses having a little cocktail on the beach under the palm. Under the palm tree. So you know you do the same kind of palm tree. You just show the two different places and show how amazing you know? Maybe it's maybe it's a woman in her 70 s or not seventy s but let's say 90 s in her bikini looking very fancy and.
50:54.98
laurenlogi
Yes.
51:08.33
shelleylewis_mac_com
You know there's a young caban a person who's ah you know, bringing drinks over.
51:14.48
laurenlogi
You know that's I like that a lot you know I gotta get me one of those too. So the um, what we could do is we could also because people who come down to Florida are cheap. They don't want to pay for things like in California you got to pay taxes. They don't like that. So what we do is we put because there's some. Ah, some palm treey places in like Mississippi on the coast and louis all the so we'll try to get them to go there. We'll do a fake out. We'll do a show. How look how beautiful the coast of this is it's better than Florida you know, maybe it's just Mississippi better than Florida and then everyone's gonna go there I think. Mississippi's on the coast I don't know geography don't hold me to this and don't email me with the correct thing. Okay, whatever the d niff la with the palm tree. Okay people those places we're gonna get them to go I'm like this a lot Charlie I like this a lot.
52:04.95
shelleylewis_mac_com
Um, ah.
52:08.39
laurenlogi
We wover on to something. Thank you so much I'm gonna go get I'll get my nephew to do what my game he'll help me okay, all right all right? Thank you shallless see you'll see you so come come visit me in Bokkeritz on you're invited. No one elses. Okay, okay, oh thank you matches my mind's red. So just.
52:15.65
shelleylewis_mac_com
Um.
52:18.37
shelleylewis_mac_com
Thank you I will bring my best Ballur leisure suit.
52:27.49
laurenlogi
Be complimentary in the color. Okay I think all right, She's pouring herself for Martini She's so excited. So thanks for hanging out are she's a character my goodness gracious.
52:29.12
shelleylewis_mac_com
Are.
52:38.16
shelleylewis_mac_com
Ah, um, she's a character that lady.
52:47.98
laurenlogi
Um, all right? So where should people um, come find you hang out with you look for what you have going next.
52:51.93
shelleylewis_mac_com
Yeah, so I have a website. It's Shelley Lewis films at or sorry no can we do it again. I don't I have a website. It's shelleyluisfilms dot com I'm also with um. A production company called magnetic field in America and that's it's owned by the Rosa Brothers and and Justin Lynn and um, ah, that's that's where you can find me to do all my work and then in Canada I'm with sunva.
53:24.30
laurenlogi
Hack up.
53:30.83
laurenlogi
Lovely Lovely Lovely Um I love that you have the by by country representation. Um, yeah.
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Yeah, well and also in France I'm with I mean with a company called I see as well. So I do have european representation as well. And yeah it is I do like to work in all these different.
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Um, countries because the the work is different in each one. There's different sensibilities and it's always interesting to figure figure that out.
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Thank you is lovely speaking with you today.
Episode 3 - Clowns, Anarchists, And The Male Idiot w/ Richard Kimberley
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*Lauren * (00:01:14) - So I think that means the misfit variety show is going to be going more places. It's showing legs, it's showing legs. I'm also getting ready. I have a family wedding on Saturday. Like Love my Cousin happy to support is super excited for her. However, I have some family going that. Mm. Yeah. Uh, haven't seen them in a long long ass time and they are like talk about like the enemies of your misfit weirdness. Like they were never very nice to me when I was coming out as queer. Uh, kind of rolled their eyes a lot about like, how I was living life. Some choice things are stuck in my brain that they've said to me that I just. I just I'm like, I like practice in my imagination sitting there. Like what I would say back if I could go back to that moment. So I don't know. I am nervous as F so stay tuned about how this goes. I'm really nervous. I they're going to be at this wedding, these enemies of my weirdness and I am gonna try to ignore them.
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*Lauren * (00:03:27) - All right. So we're going to get to the interview with Richard Kimberly in just a second. But before that, I want to say a few ways you can support the podcast. You can rate and review because misfits trust other misfits to know what's good. You can sign up at Lauren Log Logging Comm. We send monthly updates on what's going on, what shows and whatnot and resources and discounts and things, and also podcast recaps. And you can also consider sponsoring a podcast. We're doing something new, perhaps unprecedented in the podcast world. We're inviting our community to help sponsor a podcast. You can sponsor one or many, and we're making it accessible for individuals to sponsor a podcast. And if you do it for someone's birthday or a celebration will make the podcast in honor of you. It'll be so fun. So you can find out more about that by contacting us at through Lauren Lodge. Just click on Listen podcast and you can email us right there. All right. So now on to our interview with Richard Kimble.
*Lauren * (00:04:35) - Richard performs and teachers all over the world as a clown performer. He's an incredible human and I'm so excited to introduce him to you today. All right. Now let's go to an interview with clown teacher and performer Richard Kimble. Oh, thank you. Hi. Oh, the light's amazing. Oh, it's crinkling on my face. I guess people can't see us, so we are sitting by the most idyllic canal. This is a canal. A river? Is it a river stream? Made.
Richard (00:05:12) - They call it the Mini Venice. Don't you know?
*Lauren * (00:05:14) - Really?
Richard (00:05:15) - There's quite a few of these running around their tiny streams, running around with beer cans bobbing down.
*Lauren * (00:05:20) - It was like until the beer can. Like now. Now? Unfortunately. So. So we're here because Richard is my clown teacher and we're talking and he's lived very cool, interesting, fun filled, adventure filled life from the stalking. I've done.
Richard (00:05:36) - Stalking already. I was like, wow, How do you.
*Lauren * (00:05:38) - Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.
*Lauren * (00:05:41) - I mean, I could tell. I mean, like weirdos. We could just tell what someone else is an oddball. So I was like, Oh, he's probably going to be a good interview. But then I looked drew up and I was like, Oh, yeah. So bicycle travel. What was that?
Richard (00:05:54) - Bicycle travel? Yeah. Jumping. Yeah, I, I left England about where I'm from. If you can't tell. I left England in 2008 and then wanted to travel as far east as I could and I did overland. And when I got to China, I met two, I think, Dutch Dutch boys who are traveling on bike in the south of China. And I thought, Wow, how cool, I wish I could do something like that, but I can't in this moment of of like, wait, why can't I? And it just so happened they were selling their bikes in Vietnam when they got to Vietnam. And I got there and I was like, Hey, I want to buy one of your bikes.
Richard (00:06:32) - So I was traveling by myself. I don't didn't know much about bikes or traveling on bike, but thought, Hey, let's give it a go. And then bought a bike. And as I bought the bike I bumped into a German guy, Johnny, and he said, Hey, what are you doing? I was like, I just bought this bike. I'm going, I'm going to cycle down Vietnam. And he was like, Cool, can I come? And I was like, Yeah, they've got another bike. You can buy another bike. And then he bought another bike and we traveled for about a month together. And then he had to leave and I carried on for another two months and my bike fell apart. And then months later, when I was on the way back to on the way back west, I was traveling through Central Asia, through the Stans, through Kazakhstan and Kyrgyzstan, Uzbekistan. I was in Kazakhstan and I met another guy who was cycling a bike and I was instantly drawn.
Richard (00:07:20) - I was like, Bike, I want to travel on bike again because it was so beautiful. And he was making his way from Australia to Denmark for the climate change negotiations of 2009. Yeah, and I then bought the next bike I could, which was in Georgia and then cycled with him for five months and on that trip met some other people doing another project on bikes. They were building their own bikes, lots of funky circus bikes and they were doing a trip. Going from Germany to the plan was Germany to Mongolia, doing social circles with people. And I ended up going and joining them. And then for many years after, I was cycling a lot and doing a lot of cycling cycling projects.
*Lauren * (00:07:59) - Is that where you discovered clown and circus performance?
Richard (00:08:02) - Yeah, yeah, yeah. From this, from this, this last group, I joined them and I knew a bit of a self learnt a bit of circus when I was living in the UK, but I didn't really know anyone.
*Lauren * (00:08:12) - What does that mean?
Richard (00:08:13) - Self learned self, self taught self.
*Lauren * (00:08:15) - So I know what that means.
Richard (00:08:16) - So I learned. Yeah I learned. I taught myself to juggle. Okay, I got three balls and I tried to juggle. I learnt a bit of contact juggling, which is this with a glass ball because I love the movie The Labyrinth. Yes. And in that, David Bowie's character is contact juggling. I love that. And yeah, some little bits and bit, but I never knew anyone to really dive in. And I met this group and suddenly I knew a lot of people who were doing circus and I started learning more. And one guy did a clown workshop for us, a rebel army clown workshop. So this kind of anarchist clown movement that kind of goes to demonstrations, to the idea of being or what I took from it. The idea being of to to be in between the protesters and the police and, and kind of reflect a lot of what's happening, but kind of keep a cool space also and stop police beating the shit out of protesters and stop protesters beating the shit out of a.
Richard (00:09:12) - Yeah.
*Lauren * (00:09:13) - So like a peacekeeping bicycle mission?
Richard (00:09:16) - Yeah. I mean, we didn't do so he gave a workshop in that and that was kind of my first discovery of clown. And then that was the then I fell in love with clown.
*Lauren * (00:09:24) - Another wheeled thing. But there was a there was a bicycle before that came through exactly as you were talking about, like getting into like, oh, cool, look at that. Awesome. That's not a horse and buggy coming through the idyllic town. There's a wheelchair.
Richard (00:09:40) - That's awesome. Yeah. So bicycle for a long time was the very my preferred means of travel also meant my life was very cheap, my accommodation was mainly camping or couches and my travel was bike. So food was the main, main concern and that was maintained. Through street performing and performing with a group as well.
*Lauren * (00:09:58) - So did you have one of those things that attached to the back of your bike Those?
Richard (00:10:02) - No, I didn't. I had panniers. That's what it is in English as well.
Richard (00:10:05) - I'm not sure in Germany anyway. Bike bags that fit on the side of special racks on the on the on the bike and loaded. So two small bikes on the front wheel, one in the middle of the handlebars, two big bags on the back wheel and lots of stuff on top of it. Wow.
*Lauren * (00:10:21) - You're like quads, like super.
Richard (00:10:23) - Ripped for a time they were before I joined the The Circus project with this guy I met. Yeah, we were. We were cycling a lot and quite long distances, quite fast. And then I was pretty. My legs got pretty. Yeah.
*Lauren * (00:10:38) - I used to bike in Brooklyn a lot and I had to buy like my jeans were tight. I was like, Yeah, yeah.
Richard (00:10:45) - But then with the circus, we then were traveling a lot less because the group was quite big and we were, yeah, it takes a long time to leave camp. So by the time you've left camp, it's halfway through the day and then you cycle 30km and then it's like, Oh, lake, let's stop here.
Richard (00:10:59) - And then you stop there and play music. And so it was much.
*Lauren * (00:11:02) - More, That's.
Richard (00:11:03) - Awesome. It's not low key.
*Lauren * (00:11:04) - That's great. I can't I'm so hyper that I'm just like, Wait, we're not productive enough today. It's too American. That's a problem. I'm like, Wait, I.
Richard (00:11:12) - Got to be more.
*Lauren * (00:11:12) - Productive. This is not part of walking towards our goals. Yeah, yeah. That's amazing. So, like, do you feel like you're like, you know, everyone has sort of like a rhythm in life, Like they. Some people are really fast and people are slower. Do you feel like your rhythm changed because you were biking around and like, my rhythm changed?
Richard (00:11:30) - Yeah. I mean, in this time, you know, I left traveling and for sure I got in a in a rhythm there that was super chill because I had no time pressure. Yeah, I didn't have to be anywhere.
*Lauren * (00:11:40) - That's amazing.
Richard (00:11:40) - For a very long time.
*Lauren * (00:11:42) - How long is.
Richard (00:11:42) - That? I mean. I mean that that trip from leaving England to kind of to when I started, I mean, there was two years I went to Asia and came back. And then until I kind of then had a house and stayed in one place, there was about another, I don't know, another seven years, seven years. But this was not all with bicycle then. Then I started studying and doing other things. So in that time I came to Golia and I and I studied and I went away. But in between was always doing trips and and travels and other things. But, but the start, the start phase, particularly these two years, especially because screens didn't exist in my life then. Ah, that's amazing. Phones are appearing and I had one in my bag somewhere for emergencies, but I never used it. At some point it was stolen and I never got another one. And then life became very much about going from A to B, okay, Today I'm kind of going in that direction and maybe be changed.
Richard (00:12:33) - Yeah. So everything somehow becomes was a very present time.
*Lauren * (00:12:39) - Do you think that made you a better clown?
Richard (00:12:41) - A better clown?
*Lauren * (00:12:42) - Because you can go like you can change, you know, like you're not so antenna going.
Richard (00:12:46) - Edit Yeah, I mean, yeah, I mean definitely the philosophy is definitely matching. I think it allowed me in that time when I was discovering Clown, it allowed me to sink into it without needing to do as pretty free to be like, Oh, this is clown all the fucking time. Sorry swearing. It's just clown all the time.
*Lauren * (00:13:05) - Yeah, I'm from New York. You could definitely swear. Okay. Yeah.
Richard (00:13:08) - Um. Yeah. So. So when I discovered Clown, it was very much I was playing constantly and had some friends, and we would just go on the street and mess around. Wow. Very unstructured, unskilled clown. You know, we were playing for ourselves.
*Lauren * (00:13:20) - Yeah. Did you ever have a heckler?
Richard (00:13:22) - Yeah, for sure. But I didn't care in that time.
Richard (00:13:25) - It was like, you can heckle you want. I'm just in a in a bubble of joy and play digging in the dirt, just in a state of presence with the world around, which is super fun for a time. And at some point I was like, Wait, what? What? Especially when, you know, we start to do shows and then audiences. And then I started to be a bit confused by what this clown was, which then led me to look for studying.
*Lauren * (00:13:46) - And then when did you come to Golia? When was that?
Richard (00:13:49) - Well, at that point then I went to I went to Spain and did an intensive clown course there, which I learned the the beauty of education for the first time in my life. Yeah, I did. I mean, I studied illustration in university.
*Lauren * (00:14:01) - Right before.
Richard (00:14:01) - I traveled. And so I was educated. And because that's what you do and whatever. Yeah. Wasn't I enjoyed it but. And then this clown course, I was like, wow, learning is really, really fun.
Richard (00:14:13) - Wow. How cool for me. And then and yeah, and I was like, wow, I need more of this learning. I didn't necessarily I mean, I was running around and performing and doing these projects, but there wasn't necessarily goal of I want to be an actor. It was this like, Wow, this, this feels really good to do this for my growth. And then after that, I then started hunting. After that I was like, Well, I need this full time for now. I started looking for schools which eventually circle around to. Yeah, to here. Yeah. And I, I bumped into a few people that have been there once I knew the name, you know, then you kind of just like the universe drops people that have been there and yeah. And they all said the same. There was like, yeah, it's really I asked how it was for them and they were like, Yeah, really challenging. Yeah, changed my life. And I was like, Well, cool.
Richard (00:14:57) - I asked the next person, they pretty much said the same thing. Everyone else? Yeah. Really challenging and changed my yeah, really changed my life. I was like, great.
*Lauren * (00:15:05) - You're there. And then you So how long did it take? So you were like your first clown class goalie and then you started performing with circuses right after goalie? Yeah. I mean, like, when how long did it take you? So you're, like, biking around. You're, like, going jumping in lakes. You're going like, biking around, digging in dirt. Three audiences juggling. Could you talk yourself, sleeping in a tent and and then you go to Spain, then you go to France. And then, like, how long did it take to start performing professionally?
Richard (00:15:38) - Yeah, I mean, the word professional. What do you mean by profession?
*Lauren * (00:15:41) - I guess. I guess. Well, you know, because, like, what does that mean? I guess I want to say like in a with a company that might pay you up front instead of just relying on passing the hat.
*Lauren * (00:15:51) - Yeah. Yes, This is.
Richard (00:15:52) - Well, I've never. Oh, this is true. Yeah. I've never worked for. For anyone.
*Lauren * (00:15:57) - Oh wow. But you do perform it.
Richard (00:15:59) - But, but, but I perform at festivals, so I get paid. Yeah, but no, but it was at the time of Galicia. Then there was a switch of, Oh, I like this and want to do this.
Speaker 5 (00:16:09) - Yes.
Richard (00:16:10) - And then with one friend who was also from a biking. Yeah, yeah. Just before Galicia we did a biking trip for two months, I think kind of in Russia with, with a big group. And there was one guy who had a lot of fun performing with. Yeah, Judy, a acrobat from, from Kyrgyzstan, living in Germany. And we had a lot of fun together, really fun. Complicity together. Yeah. And yeah, and then we were in a big group of 15 hippies doing a show. And and I remember this time I was like, Hey, guys, let's get, like, show clothes.
Richard (00:16:43) - That's like, really work on the show. Let's step it up a little. I was like, Yeah. And then show clothes would be, I don't know, a sweaty pair of shorts that they were cycling in. And I was always a bit like, Oh no, it wasn't my suit that I packed, especially. And this one guy I had had was like, Yeah, no, I'd like to work on to like up to work on an actual show. Yeah. To really put some effort in. And then the year, the year after, then we did a trip together for three months on on bikes through the Alps.
*Lauren * (00:17:10) - That sounds like a fucking nightmare. You're going up like in a bike on the Alps.
Richard (00:17:15) - And we were both we're both musicians. He's a guitar player and I was playing mainly I picked up the you because it fits on the back of a bike very, very nicely. And then we took two ukuleles because they fit so nicely on the bike and we traveled for three months and we started working on the show and we've been playing.
Richard (00:17:30) - That shows that we've been playing that show for ten years now.
*Lauren * (00:17:32) - Wow.
Richard (00:17:33) - So it was through that show which started on the street passing the hat. But then we got into festival circuits and street theater, festival circuits and then indoor circuits, and it's a variety show. It's a music acrobatic comedy show called Barada Street.
*Lauren * (00:17:47) - I saw the trailer.
Richard (00:17:49) - So the trailer. So yeah, so that we we kind of upgraded that, got costumes, got, got everything amplified so we could play big crowds and play festivals. And then we, we played every summer. We did a tour, I think just before I'd say 2018 was probably the year we played the most. And after that was like, Oh, I don't want to play. It's also exhausting. Then the travel goes from having all the time in the world from, you know, going to be to being like, Okay, now we need to go here now. We need to go there now. We need to go here. Yeah.
*Lauren * (00:18:18) - And were you biking to different destinations?
Richard (00:18:20) - No, no, no.
Richard (00:18:21) - Then the bike melted out. Yeah, because the wish for play took over. So then we were normally with trains and public transport, but. So flying when necessary. Yeah. And that show took us quite a few around most of Europe and a bit further went to Canada and Japan. Oh wow. We got invited around around the place and at some point was was time for it to. I'd also like to have a bit more time for other things. Yeah. A relationship with other people other than Yuri. Yeah. And we spent so much time together, which is beautiful and and my girlfriend. I also like to spend time with my girlfriend who's sitting at home. Yeah. So then the last two years we play, we still play it, but we play a bit less.
Speaker 5 (00:19:01) - Oh, wow. Wow.
*Lauren * (00:19:03) - Still exist. So. And then how long was it from goalie to that?
Richard (00:19:06) - Like we we did that three month trip in the in between the first and the second year.
Speaker 5 (00:19:13) - Oh wow.
Richard (00:19:14) - Wow. So started so we had three years where we were.
Speaker 5 (00:19:18) - Yeah.
Richard (00:19:19) - Playing just a little bit here and there and a bit more street and passing. And then we started getting in festivals and yeah, then it went quite fast.
*Lauren * (00:19:26) - And then when did the, um, the mail idiot show.
Richard (00:19:30) - The mail idiot. That's jumping ahead quite a bit. But the.
*Lauren * (00:19:35) - Well, if there's anything in between, do you want to share about your misfit journey.
Richard (00:19:38) - Oh yeah. That's was and goalie. I finished. Yeah. And I was trying to work out how to about being based somewhere and I was looking around a bit and there was I was like the girl who was together with. Ago. I met here at Goglia. Yeah. And we were looking how she was from Australia. But we were looking how to exist together. Yeah. And for whatever reasons, this fell apart. And it was quite clear. You know, I'd just been touring for two years with a fringe show as others Plague of Idiots, which were people I met from.
Speaker 5 (00:20:12) - Oh, yeah, I.
*Lauren * (00:20:12) - Saw a piece of that. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (00:20:14) - The.
*Lauren * (00:20:14) - The few of them you have in your YouTube.
Speaker 5 (00:20:16) - Yeah. Yeah.
Richard (00:20:17) - So we went to Australia and England and we talked for two years or they carried on a bit after I left and I was quite sure I didn't want to fall into this fringe circuit of just playing all the time and having no home. And then my relationship fell apart and then a friend from the cycling circus was like, Hey, we just found a piece of land. And I was like, I mean, And then I moved to move to Germany, just south of Berlin, and we bought a piece of land with about ten people, some from the from this community of cycling, 60 people and some not. Yeah, kind of linked to that in other reasons. And we bought a piece of land and then built up a kind of living living project, community space.
*Lauren * (00:20:55) - A commune.
Richard (00:20:56) - A commune that I was living at for six years until last year.
Richard (00:21:00) - And then I relocated to, to Austria where my girlfriend is now.
*Lauren * (00:21:05) - Ah.
Richard (00:21:06) - And then in this communally time commune.
*Lauren * (00:21:10) - I love it. I love it. Yeah. It all tracks though to me it all makes 100% sense. Like you're not going to go from like bicycle person to like bicycle traveler to like, I don't know, finance guy.
Speaker 5 (00:21:22) - Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, no, no.
Richard (00:21:24) - Yeah. Very much not. So, yeah, I was living in this commune and then, and then working quite a lot on what you have to in group living. A lot.
Speaker 5 (00:21:31) - Of.
Richard (00:21:32) - Yeah. Emotional meeting and a lot of.
*Lauren * (00:21:35) - Emotional dynamics.
Richard (00:21:37) - Emotional dynamics, group dynamics.
*Lauren * (00:21:39) - Communication manager that's so intense.
Richard (00:21:42) - All these kind of things, which is wonderfully fucking. I love it. I have such a love for that. All the other work in the community, I was like, Oh, it's like, Oh, we've got to do this, build this. I was like.
*Lauren * (00:21:52) - So did you really like workshops with them? Movement workshops to get to build because you're so good at team building in your movement class?
Richard (00:21:59) - Yeah, I did.
Richard (00:22:00) - I took on very much that role of group building and we'd have a lot of guests coming in to help us build. So I always did things with big groups to animate and bring people together was also kind of my, my role. Yeah. And, and the emotional in between, let's call it I really fell in love with or got deeper. I really love that work and and very necessary for me at that moment of my life as well to learn. And with that came many themes. Also, I had a little men's just men's group just for men as well to exchange about growing up as a man, being a man and the themes that come with this. So, so these themes were present in me. And at some point in a clown workshop, I gave somewhere in France, invited by a little organization and met a guy called Thilo, and that was 2016. We met and he was like, Hey, we should do something together. He's a therapist, Gestalt therapist, and runs different workshops specifically for men.
Richard (00:22:56) - He works a lot with men.
*Lauren * (00:22:56) - What's a.
Speaker 5 (00:22:57) - Therapist?
Richard (00:22:58) - Gestalt Therapist is a form developed by a man called Fritz Pills. It's pills. It's pills. Not sure how to pronounce his name. And it's a form of therapy. I think the best way to describe is it's very focused on the now. So we're not looking in passes like, what are you feeling now like and where do you feel it in your body. And it's everything. It's okay to be there, Everything. It's very present. And what Gestalt means form in German. So what is the form now? What are you taking on right now? Let's talk about very present. So it's very much bringing people back to the to what is actually happening. And of course, there's many things that is masking for themself what is actually happening. Yeah. And he's based in this. Yeah. And at some point a few years, quite a few years later, we got the time to create a workshop which is kind of a combination of the idea was a combination of self growth for men through clown, also through doing clown work, noticing how the personal comes very important and very close for people.
Richard (00:24:03) - So often in workshops being like, Wow, okay, we try. We work, we work, we work. And there's the block where the person is now. Yeah. And there's so much about fear, about vulnerability, about shame, about all these failure. We're like, Wow, this would be very good for men. Yeah, there's a great themes for men to to explore. And then we developed a workshop called The Male Idiot. I generally use the word idiot in my workshops more than clown. I kind of fell in love with it in a beautiful way. Beautiful idiot. Inspired by very much, yeah. And then we started doing it. And that was. That was a few years ago now, about five years ago we started that. And it's very inspired by I mean initiated by bye bye and the Love of Clown, but also by Giovanni Rossetti, who's a teacher in in Italy.
*Lauren * (00:24:53) - Yeah. Some people have been talking about him. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (00:24:55) - Yeah.
Richard (00:24:55) - Highly recommend it. Who's also based in also has.
Richard (00:24:59) - He was Lecoq student and taught at Lecoq after and is based in a lot of therapies gestalt therapy and process orientated psychology and and Jungian archetypical.
Speaker 5 (00:25:12) - Thing that's.
Richard (00:25:13) - Cool and I worked with him a lot and learnt a lot from him. Quite a lot of somatic approaches of working with with clown as well.
*Lauren * (00:25:21) - You lucid body technique uses that young Jungian.
Speaker 5 (00:25:24) - As well. It's pretty Yeah it's similar in a way.
Richard (00:25:28) - Yeah. And this somatic way of somatic techniques which are kind of inspired by the root of Wilhelm Wilhelm Reich, which is a bioenergetics and, and in this, in this therapy, they would say what's not expressed is impressed in the body. Aha. Which I learn from Giovanni what's not expressed is impressed in the body. So we all have a somatic form that is directly related to our experience.
Speaker 5 (00:25:58) - Yeah.
*Lauren * (00:25:58) - Trauma is like trapped in the body. Yeah. There's been a lot. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (00:26:01) - On that.
Richard (00:26:02) - Yeah. And, and yeah. And then with, with the male idiot then we work through.
Richard (00:26:05) - Yes. Somatic approach as well but specifically related to the to, to talking about masculinity. Yeah. Okay. What is in the body that's connected to your relationship with masculinity. Yeah. With your surroundings. You grew up with the other men in your life with what you thought you should be. Yeah. Must be.
Speaker 5 (00:26:24) - Yeah.
Richard (00:26:24) - Yeah. And I'm making having fun with that. Making, amplifying these somatics, making an amplified characters, putting them into play, having fun, and then reflecting it. It's super fun, super touching.
*Lauren * (00:26:37) - And how do you get them to come take your class?
Speaker 5 (00:26:40) - Because often that's a tricky thing. Yeah, because it's like the.
*Lauren * (00:26:43) - Mantra, like, go, go, no problem.
Speaker 5 (00:26:44) - Good. Everything's great.
Richard (00:26:46) - Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm thinking about changing the title to the wonderful, amazing male. Yeah, we got more people for the.
Speaker 5 (00:26:52) - Workshop, right? Yeah.
Richard (00:26:54) - I mean, normally it's it's a, I mean, the workshop is, is ten people is kind of what we had for plus us.
Richard (00:27:01) - So it's a relatively intimate workshop. And normally people who come are already on a journey of reflecting themselves and.
Speaker 5 (00:27:08) - Yeah.
Richard (00:27:09) - And then word of mouth is normally there.
Speaker 5 (00:27:11) - Yeah, I think it's like.
*Lauren * (00:27:13) - If you just say like how to pick up more chicks or something like that, you get to get that. You need to get those, those dudes. This douches need to take your class.
Richard (00:27:20) - Yeah exactly. Yeah. Often Yeah. And Yeah. And they're not quite ready maybe to take the take the class. Oh I'm not, I'm not sure. I haven't quite done it with that. Yeah. Circle. And that's also an interest I have now to how. How to open this workshop up to other circles as well. How to work in other fields, or how the workshop would need to be adapted or I love to work in prisons with it. It's a little thing that comes which is way out of my comfort zone of yeah, mainly working in my bubble of humans. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (00:27:54) - That'd be.
*Lauren * (00:27:55) - Mean. I'm calling it the reality. It might work there because then it would be very self-selecting to the people who would like be open to be calling called an idiot because maybe calling someone idiot in prison who doesn't want to be called any design mistakes.
Speaker 5 (00:28:07) - Yeah.
*Lauren * (00:28:08) - Wow.
Richard (00:28:09) - Yeah. And the name is read somehow relies a little bit on people understanding. It's a little bit something fun in idiocy as well. Yeah, which is tricky in the. Yeah, I think the, the title at the moment is quite simple for us at the moment than for.
Speaker 5 (00:28:25) - Yeah.
*Lauren * (00:28:26) - It's what is Oprah is like selling what they want given what they need.
Speaker 5 (00:28:30) - Yeah sort of. We have infiltrate. Yeah. Infiltrate.
*Lauren * (00:28:35) - Have you ever met a man who was beyond help?
Richard (00:28:38) - A man who's.
*Lauren * (00:28:39) - Gone. Help? Have you met? It's like. Like I can't even workshop you, dude. I know of you.
Richard (00:28:46) - Yeah, that's a funny one. I mean, I think it would go back to this point of readiness.
Richard (00:28:51) - Yeah. I mean, many men who aren't ready to receive feedback or they're not ready to see what everyone else is seeing.
Speaker 5 (00:28:57) - Yeah.
Richard (00:28:58) - Which is this. You know, it comes up strong and especially when you're working semantically because it's not we're not making anything up. We observe and analyze and be like, Ah, there's something I don't know, There's something in the, in the body here in the space that's very dominating, let's say, and it's reflected and encouraged to amplify this. And, you know, there's often a lot of resistance, this process of, no, no, I'm not, I'm not that.
Speaker 5 (00:29:22) - Yeah.
Richard (00:29:23) - Yeah. Fear and beyond help. I don't know I don't think I agree with that that that's you know forever but for sure that many men who are not ready willing to be reflected in that moment. Yeah. And have a lot of a lot of masks coming very strong to protect something.
*Lauren * (00:29:43) - And I don't my bits I emasculate men and it's so it's so easy I'm always off like blown away about how easy it is.
Richard (00:29:52) - How do you emasculate men.
*Lauren * (00:29:54) - Um well like there's okay, one example is like, I play an IVF syringe and I'm like, Yeah, I'm gonna have you tell me, what is it? What is it? I don't have an out of the game maybe. Like, what are they going to put my plunger in? I just started asking the men what they're putting in there and how they. How do we get that? They're like, it's sperm. Like, how do we get sperm? How is it? And I ask them to describe their body and describe the process. And they are so awkward. It's amazing to watch because they just and then the women love it because they're because they usually use that against us. Yes. Their body and their process. And instead, when a woman is asking them to come forward in a public space and declare it, they are on my terms and my game, they freak out. Yeah.
Richard (00:30:39) - I mean, I'm freaking out a little bit. A little bit scared.
Richard (00:30:42) - You're about to ask me questions.
Speaker 5 (00:30:44) - No, because it is.
Richard (00:30:46) - I mean, so much of the game that we've we've learned in in our patriarchal structure society is to to I mean, and this is this is one of the main cause of the male idiot, a clown, a basic clown state or basic a clown state will be to to understand very little and to feel a lot. I don't need to understand the world. I'm affected by it. And I feel and I live through emotion and body. And that's kind of the the state that you train a non mind state and a basic man state that we've learned is to understand a lot and feel very little. And it's like, wow, these have a lot to learn from each other. And exactly what you described there is you're being like, Hey, man, okay, let's poke at this understanding everything thing and bring men into. I don't Yeah. And this panic is a shit. I'm. I'm ashamed. I don't really know how to answer a hell of a lot of shame there.
Richard (00:31:40) - And men so good in putting these masks of BS. Yeah. Yeah. Well, all right. No, let me explain this to you, love. Okay. You know, we men, stereotypically or archetypally dominate space with that kind of understanding and feeling less. Oh, no, let's not. Let's not get. Let's. Yeah. Hold us a bit rational here. Let's understand it. Let's go forward. No. And yeah. And to poke that authenticity, look behind that. Seeing this as masks which we do in the male idiot and and shame that masks are built to hide shame of things. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly what you play with. Which is wonderfully awkward and and terrifying. I'm for sure the women love it because there's a lot of dominance of those.
Speaker 5 (00:32:28) - Right, right, right, right.
*Lauren * (00:32:30) - Like if like I was unfortunately in a subway, I was. I was flashed once. And like, you know what? I bet it would have been like, Show that to me again.
*Lauren * (00:32:38) - Look at everyone. Look at his fucking. You know, he would have ran away and been very scared because they he's trying to use it over like it's like the power dynamic. If it's on their terms, it's cool. But if I turn it around, they freak out.
Speaker 5 (00:32:49) - Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Richard (00:32:51) - Men are a wondrous, wondrous and very wounded. Yeah. Mean are we all. But all right. I've mainly been working with men the past time.
*Lauren * (00:33:00) - All right, well, someone needs to do something, so. Thank you.
Speaker 5 (00:33:03) - Yeah, you're welcome.
*Lauren * (00:33:06) - So what is like we talk about, like, moments when you're. You kind of realize, like, your misfit moment when, like, you were just, like, the traditional world is, like, just not going to happen. It could be at any age or anything.
Richard (00:33:20) - When you say that, I mean, the first thing I think of is I was so I finished university illustration in England and I lived for two years with my girlfriend at the time.
Richard (00:33:30) - Has a lot of Guildford Times, isn't it? Yeah, I've been such defining moments of life partners. Intimate partners. Yeah. I live with my girlfriend at the time and I had a full time job working in an art gallery. So that's what you need to do. And my creativity was kind of going down because I didn't have time, so I was drawing less. I'm tired because I was working full time. And so I come back. I mean, the normal, the normal, yeah, vast majority of the population. And just notice this very distinctive, like, why is this it? That's what it is, which from my family side is like, Yes, that's it. My father would be like, Yes, that's it. And that's what you do. And you work hard at your job and then you'll be promoted. And that's I think and a very distinct it and then was inspired to yeah, it's like I need to go traveling for whatever reason. No, I felt just for a year because that's what you do.
Richard (00:34:22) - You go for a year, you come back and then you continue like.
*Lauren * (00:34:25) - In Europe, in England, not in the United States.
Speaker 5 (00:34:28) - That's insane. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Okay.
*Lauren * (00:34:31) - So, like, you just work all the time and that's it. Then you die.
Richard (00:34:34) - Yes. Yeah. Okay. So, yeah, in. In Europe, in England, we have you had the gap year because, you know, you've got to have a bit of fun when you're young and you go out for a year and then you come back and then you fuck off.
Speaker 5 (00:34:44) - Yeah, man.
Richard (00:34:46) - And I did that. And then when I was away, realize it's like, Wow, I don't want to go back or need to go back or my life is much more vital when I follow what I'm enjoying.
Speaker 5 (00:34:56) - Now was happening.
Richard (00:34:58) - Sorry. I thought it might be my old landlady. It's not.
Speaker 5 (00:35:02) - You paid your rent.
Richard (00:35:03) - Thank you. Yeah. And that was quite a distinctive like. Why is this, like real question mark on.
Richard (00:35:09) - I mean, then I was in England. I didn't have left so much. I was like, wow, is this. Is this what this? I remember speaking to my dad and him. Yeah. I was like, I told him I was going traveling and saving up and yeah. And he and I remember him saying like, well, I don't. Yeah, I don't understand why you do that, you know, you're doing well. And I was doing well in my job and you're doing well in your job then I don't understand that thing. Now. He understands after he saw that, Yeah. My life became much richer in me doing that, right? Yeah. That's what I feel from him. Yeah. That was quite a defining moment of this. And another one was for sure meeting this, um, I mean, it was a huge string of events, but specifically this cycling circus, people who were like very independent artists, musicians. Then that kind of opened up a very big world that I'm still very much connected to now.
Richard (00:36:02) - Very much holds my, yeah, a lot of my life.
Speaker 5 (00:36:05) - Do you think.
*Lauren * (00:36:06) - You'd ever say fucking and just go back on the road Biking Road.
Speaker 5 (00:36:10) - Yeah.
Richard (00:36:11) - Yeah. I mean for sure. I mean now I'm, you know, I'm extremely busy with work. The world of screens is very present because I'm running a business of me performing. Yeah. And I'm very. I'm often pulled to that. Yeah. Is that a to be so pleasurable. And actually at the end of this year I'm taking a sabbatical to I'm not sure for how long. Maybe not a year, but I'm taking some time because I need that that refresh of.
Speaker 5 (00:36:37) - Yeah.
Richard (00:36:38) - To get away from all the other shiny screen things and all of that.
*Lauren * (00:36:42) - What are you going to do?
Richard (00:36:44) - I'm really not sure. I need to work out home a bit better. I relocated a year ago to live close to my girlfriend in Austria and since I moved I've mainly been on the road. Yeah. And so yeah, some decisions to make on the upgrading of my work life and my structure of my self and home and work and all of that, because right now it's not sustainable.
Richard (00:37:08) - And this year was heading for, heading for it didn't quite hit about heading for burnout. I was like, wow, if I keep going, I'm on burnout. Yeah, Burnout Road. So I'm a backpedaling. Yeah. My bike, my bike, my travel bike is sitting there kind of being like, Hey, just hop on me even for a week or something.
Speaker 5 (00:37:26) - Yeah.
*Lauren * (00:37:27) - Have you did your summer you haven't biked yet that you want to bike America? Wow. Yeah, we've run people over. For a lot, though. I don't know. I fear for you a little bit. Maybe in.
Speaker 5 (00:37:39) - A.
Richard (00:37:40) - I always have my eye on. I'm not sure I would take two years out now, but there's a kind of Alaska to Argentina. There's a lot of people that do this route. It's quite an amazing it takes about two years or so.
Speaker 5 (00:37:51) - Oh, wow. That's incredible.
*Lauren * (00:37:53) - So you get your cycle pass fast, pass the United States.
Speaker 5 (00:37:56) - Faster than the nation.
Richard (00:37:58) - I'm very cool to the nature of the states.
Richard (00:38:01) - Maybe it's my Hollywood upbringing of just watching movies, these landscapes and archetypes, cowboys and things. And I think part of me hoping to be lost in a Western. But yeah, I want to go and explore the States a bit.
*Lauren * (00:38:15) - It is very cool. It's just, you know, it's tough.
Speaker 5 (00:38:18) - It's tough place for biking.
*Lauren * (00:38:23) - I actually used to bike around the city and then I went to my friend's a fundraiser for traumatic brain injury, and I was like, Oh, I think I'm not going to bike in the city again. But I guess you wouldn't bike in the city. You'd be on like.
Speaker 5 (00:38:35) - Country roads in the desert. Fuck that.
*Lauren * (00:38:38) - That's where they hang out.
Speaker 5 (00:38:40) - They hang out.
*Lauren * (00:38:40) - And what is that? Do you have, like, like a piece of. Yeah, those are ducks, by the way. They're chiming in. You're like, Yes, I want to go on a bike trip.
Speaker 5 (00:38:50) - What?
*Lauren * (00:38:51) - Do you have anything that you like? A misfit, inspiration, aspiration, if we should say that keeps you inspired when you're like, Fuck, should I just do what everyone else does.
Speaker 5 (00:39:03) - When you're.
*Lauren * (00:39:04) - In a low?
Richard (00:39:06) - I mean, there's very I mean very inspired by the idea maybe as well. But just this, this following of this spark of pleasure is, yeah, what I try to have in, in my if I, if I mean from my experience, I followed what I loved and now I'm paid quite well for doing what I, I love like people magnetism magnetized to people who are doing the things they love.
Speaker 5 (00:39:28) - Yeah.
Richard (00:39:29) - This is one thing I always had prepped. And now I'm also, you know, I'm heading to take a sabbatical because it's all. Yeah, because I'm burning out from.
Speaker 5 (00:39:36) - So was it.
*Lauren * (00:39:36) - Biking? Not your thing Because. Because. Because it could be also an activity. It could be like a it could be like a quote or it could be like a movie or a book.
Richard (00:39:46) - I mean, the thing, you know, it took me a long time to start traveling. And I think a very big thing is that people as much as we get scared by media and all of this, people are generally very beautiful and generally looking for connection.
Richard (00:40:02) - And I had so many beautiful experiences of arriving in places where people were like, Don't go there. These people are assholes you won't like, which is just neighboring country, blah blah, blah. And you go and everyone's like, Hey, welcome. And people just coming and giving me gifts for no reason other than I was there. And I made so many beautiful experiences and had this real sense of, Wow, people are glorious. Of course, there's a lot of confused people who are not, but generally, if you're aware enough, you don't hang out with those people so much. You kind of you feel them close by and then you make your excuses and you leave. But, um, hopefully. And of course, there's always chances that these people are also persistent and don't leave you alone. But, but yeah, but that was a huge thing of, wow, there's so much fear about starting to, to do something or to go travel or to go off by myself somewhere or this or that and so much fear.
Richard (00:40:54) - But it's as soon as you start, it's an find eyes and a smile. People so many people willing to to help and support.
Speaker 5 (00:41:02) - Yeah that's super cool. Yeah. Yeah. So let's.
Richard (00:41:07) - Get traveling. Yeah let's.
Speaker 5 (00:41:08) - Get, let's get really making people it's.
Richard (00:41:11) - Not going to come in tomorrow.
Speaker 5 (00:41:12) - Oh well I have some.
*Lauren * (00:41:13) - Questions from the students. I asked a few people.
Speaker 5 (00:41:17) - Just you have questions from the students. You know.
*Lauren * (00:41:19) - By the way, I was reading your website and I always say, like, you know, I feel like I just want to, like, use comedy. Like, I just like my mission in life is to use comedy to, like, open hearts and minds of audiences. And like you, I was like, You just do that like that. Like you literally. I like I feel like you're just doing that on such an intense level. Yeah. Meaning so much like all the time. And that's so fucking cool.
Speaker 5 (00:41:43) - Yeah.
Richard (00:41:43) - Yeah. This is also a this often comes across when I meet people or people meet me or hear a bit about me.
Richard (00:41:50) - It's like, wow, you're just not saying you say this, but it just inspired me of that. When people are like, Wow, you're just having fun all the time and like, you know, I'm not fucking life is hard and and up and down and I work as a clown. And the more I work on the clown on stage, the more also off stage. I'm a there's a roller coaster that comes with it. Yeah. Which Yeah. Which also now is a huge a huge missing a word negotiations.
Speaker 5 (00:42:19) - Yeah.
Richard (00:42:21) - With these energies but yeah but yeah. Having fun and inspiring people all the time is I try to as much as I can and, and it's not sustainable.
Speaker 5 (00:42:31) - Yeah. Yeah. So that's. Yeah.
Richard (00:42:34) - And we see this so much with, I mean, amazing geniuses like Robin Williams and such, who was very much inspired constantly. Yeah. How dowdy and such a sad story.
Speaker 5 (00:42:47) - Yeah.
Richard (00:42:48) - Behind it. It's a it's.
Speaker 5 (00:42:49) - A it's a lot.
*Lauren * (00:42:50) - Yeah. To do that kind of open work requires a lot prep and you know, just continue and then life puts more shit on you and you got to excavate.
*Lauren * (00:42:58) - And then like also there's a deeper trauma excavation and it's just like a lot.
Speaker 5 (00:43:02) - Yeah.
Richard (00:43:03) - This open work, it's a good phrase for it. This open work is.
Speaker 5 (00:43:06) - Yeah.
Richard (00:43:07) - Yeah. You need to find good balances with it.
Speaker 5 (00:43:10) - Yeah.
Richard (00:43:10) - Which also from the start with Bradstreet this this show we I said very clear I only want to play some as I don't want to play the full year round. Hey hey yeah I need winter off to.
Speaker 5 (00:43:22) - Yeah.
Richard (00:43:23) - Just get open up again.
Speaker 5 (00:43:25) - Yeah.
*Lauren * (00:43:26) - Yeah. I feel that I feel like, you know, just people are like, oh obviously she just do festivals all the time or and I'm like, I feel like that sometimes, like, for instance do Edinburgh and spending like $20,000 to do Edinburgh Fringe Festival and I'm like and also the amount of work and self producing and I'm like, That sounds like it would take everything from me for two, three weeks.
Speaker 5 (00:43:46) - Yes.
*Lauren * (00:43:47) - And just being making choices to not burn out.
Speaker 5 (00:43:50) - Yeah.
*Lauren * (00:43:51) - Spend your last cent Yeah.
*Lauren * (00:43:53) - On making sure for tradition. So. Okay. Fun question. How many vests are you on?
Speaker 5 (00:43:59) - How many vests? Yeah, these vests.
*Lauren * (00:44:01) - No, the vest is a vest is the thing with like the buttons on it and it goes under a suit. Technically, I've seen you invest. I think I've seen you invest a bunch.
Speaker 5 (00:44:11) - Yeah. Walking around. Yeah.
Richard (00:44:14) - I've not so many I think I own. Oh, no. I mean.
Speaker 5 (00:44:18) - I choose to.
Richard (00:44:19) - Show to the specifically in.
Speaker 5 (00:44:21) - Shows. Okay.
Richard (00:44:22) - And then I have, I think three ones that I have for five, like.
Speaker 5 (00:44:27) - Five, five.
*Lauren * (00:44:28) - Vests. Okay. Not bad. Respectable. That's the. No, okay, just.
Speaker 5 (00:44:32) - Just watch that.
*Lauren * (00:44:34) - Okay. Someone wanted to know, were you classically trained as a dancer because they felt like your point was so.
Richard (00:44:42) - No, but they asked me in the breaktime.
Speaker 5 (00:44:44) - Are.
Richard (00:44:45) - So they ruined this this moment? No, I wasn't. No, not at all.
*Lauren * (00:44:49) - Are you were not. Okay, You just have a natural point.
Richard (00:44:52) - I just have a natural point.
*Lauren * (00:44:53) - But maybe it was this different person. Yeah, maybe just everyone's wondering. Your point is so extraordinary. Everyone's like, Oh, my God. No.
Richard (00:45:03) - No. I think that came from studying. Yeah. Dracula hockey, shuttlecock movement and. Okay. Yeah. Movement technique.
*Lauren * (00:45:11) - Cool. And am I always end with a question for one of my one of my characters.
Richard (00:45:16) - These are the two questions from the students. Those are two of the best do I have? And was like classical.
*Lauren * (00:45:19) - Oh, and then they wanted to know if you found a man beyond help. We already went into that.
Speaker 5 (00:45:24) - Okay. Yeah.
*Lauren * (00:45:26) - And yeah, we talked about that. Cool. So a question from a character. Okay, so I'm going to just think of a question of a character and then come up with a question. And yet, you know, I do. I do a bunch of characters, so I'll just come up and you can just answer it.
*Lauren * (00:45:40) - Or if you have a character, you want to answer it in your character, that's fine too.
Speaker 5 (00:45:43) - Okay.
*Lauren * (00:45:44) - Okay. All right. Okay. You look nervous.
Richard (00:45:47) - I'm not sure what's.
Speaker 5 (00:45:47) - About to come.
*Lauren * (00:45:48) - Okay. All right, all right, all right. So, listen, my name is, um. My name is Queensbury. I'm from. I. My name's Queens.
Speaker 5 (00:45:55) - Murray. Queens. Murray.
*Lauren * (00:45:56) - Yeah, Queens. Murray. Okay. Yeah. All right, all right. So. So I am from Queens, New York. And, yeah, I've never laughed like I've never left Queens. Like, I left like I go to Florida sometimes I go to, like, Disney World, but like, I've never, like, like I'm sitting behind a canal and I'm like, oh, my God, There's like, this is like, not Disney. You know what I mean? Like it used to be. It's usually Disney. Like, that's where I go. That's why you see like France, you know? So anyway, have you been to Disney World?
Richard (00:46:18) - I have in Florida.
Richard (00:46:20) - I've been to this. So that's.
*Lauren * (00:46:21) - What happened. Did you go to Epcot?
Speaker 5 (00:46:23) - I did.
*Lauren * (00:46:23) - They have other.
Speaker 5 (00:46:24) - Countries.
Richard (00:46:25) - It's true.
*Lauren * (00:46:26) - Like France and stuff. Yeah. It's so fun, right? It's like the same thing.
Richard (00:46:30) - Whatever. I was there when I was 12.
*Lauren * (00:46:31) - You were there when you were 12.
Richard (00:46:32) - How often have you been?
*Lauren * (00:46:34) - I've been like maybe 17 times. It's God. It's like where we go, you know, it's like easier, you know, just go there, whatever. So, okay, so all the places you been, where do you find? Because I love food, you know, I'm like, I shouldn't eat too much because like, I'm on a diet, but like, I love food. So like, I'm going to go somewhere. It's my, like, vision board to, like, leave the country. So I have to get my passport, first of all, and then I'm going to go leave. So like, where should I go? First of all, the places you bike, like I'm not biking a fly, but like, where should I go first?
Richard (00:47:05) - Where do I think you should go?
*Lauren * (00:47:06) - Well, where do you think? Like, is that a dig? I think that's a dig.
*Lauren * (00:47:10) - Are you, like, dissing me on the sly?
Richard (00:47:12) - No, I just. I know. No, on the sly. I just. I mean, you're like Disney World so much. I just presume you have a certain style, a certain expectations, wonderful feel. And I think for some people I'd say China, but I don't think I'd say that for you. I don't think you would like China.
*Lauren * (00:47:31) - It might be a lot for my first time out of the.
Speaker 5 (00:47:33) - Country, I think. It might be a lot.
Richard (00:47:35) - The language is very hard, very challenging.
*Lauren * (00:47:37) - How about the same language? England to Australia. What are we going to Australia?
Richard (00:47:43) - I would send you to to England. You need to go to England. All right. Scotland.
*Lauren * (00:47:49) - Scotland?
Speaker 5 (00:47:50) - Yeah, Scotland.
*Lauren * (00:47:51) - Why that in London? Why not go to London?
Speaker 5 (00:47:53) - You can.
Richard (00:47:54) - You can land in London and you can travel up. But you want to go to Scotland? I think it will really ground you.
*Lauren * (00:47:59) - Ground me.
*Lauren * (00:48:00) - Okay. Like I want to play golf or something. You're weird. Okay. Anyway, so really cool. So fun. All right, so I'm going to go to Scotland. That's it. And anyway, by the way, I think you should bring your workshop, your man workshop thing, Your man idiot thing. Oh, my God. I know, I know somebody, Man, this is fucking ridiculous. But, like, you should bring your man workshop to fucking Queens because I have so many people, and I'm going to put in it. So let's go. We'll call it like the douchebag repayment program. And I.
Speaker 5 (00:48:21) - Love it. Let's do.
*Lauren * (00:48:22) - It. All right, so we got that. Thank you so much. Um, yeah. Thank you so much for being so motherfucking cool. All right. Bye.
Speaker 5 (00:48:32) - Oh.
Richard (00:48:33) - She's overwhelming.
Speaker 5 (00:48:34) - Yes, for me, I guess the queens, the.
*Lauren * (00:48:38) - Overwhelming Italian chicks are. You don't have you don't bump into them when you're biking around.
Richard (00:48:43) - I mean, occasionally, but not not so often.
Speaker 5 (00:48:48) - Super cool. Thanks for.
*Lauren * (00:48:50) - Thanks for.
Speaker 5 (00:48:51) - Playing. Thank you. Oh, but it.
Richard (00:48:53) - No, no, no, no, no, no, no. That's one of my great learning zones. People who speak a lot are.
Speaker 5 (00:49:03) - Are.
Richard (00:49:04) - Yeah, people who speak a lot.
*Lauren * (00:49:05) - Yeah.
Speaker 5 (00:49:06) - Exploded from that. Yes. Baa! Baa! Baa! Baa!
Richard (00:49:08) - Baa! Baa! Baa! Dominating with the.
Speaker 5 (00:49:10) - Voice. Yeah.
Richard (00:49:11) - I mean, not. I mean, you're. You're. What was her name?
*Lauren * (00:49:14) - Queen's Murray.
Richard (00:49:14) - Queen's Murray. Just a very polite. And she asked questions and things. But also when she asked questions, I was kind of like I and I'm unsure if this speech will be here.
*Lauren * (00:49:25) - Yeah, I grew up with people like that. So you just kind of I just sort of like I linger in the background and you just kind of that's the only way you could do is retreat and observe. Treat and observe.
*Lauren * (00:49:34) - Yeah. Yeah. I to find a way to sneak in there with the one liner if you can. But if you're not just free retreat maybe. And retreat.
Speaker 5 (00:49:40) - Retreat, retreat. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Retreat.
*Lauren * (00:49:43) - So is there anything you'd like to plug? Anything you got coming up?
Richard (00:49:47) - Um, what is coming up? That's coming up? Nothing I really want to plug. Well, no, I just started. Potentially opens up a whole new thing, but I just started a new solo show called Jimmy Garrick. Actually, Jimmy did. That shows you apparently from New York. Oh.
Speaker 5 (00:50:06) - Um.
Richard (00:50:07) - A show called Jimmy that's inspired by the male idiot. I created the workshop. I was like, Oh, this is good. I need to put this on stage. Yeah, it's really fun. So then I did a whole lot of personal work and a whole lot of research and then found a bunch of characters that appeared from me and then put them in the framework of of Men Man masculinity and then developed a show which is me shapeshifting in different characters, talking to myself intensely with the audience which I just released, which has no more current dates but will be wanting to play more in the future.
Richard (00:50:46) - So a plug in for people who are like, Oh, I've got something that will be cool to indoor show, pretty intimate. And yeah, and it's a lot of fun. And also digging into some themes of, of growing up, of becoming man of initiation of of the the unsure us about what a man is or should be at the moment and a lot of improvisation and exchange with the audience about it and yeah it's really fun.
Speaker 5 (00:51:13) - Amazing I can't wait to see it.
Richard (00:51:15) - Yeah, yeah. And so funny. You then talk so much about this retreat, what I was saying about that overwhelming talk and like, yeah, just retreat. Retreat because that's very much this, this dynamic of this Jimmy is retreat. And what he has to learn is the, the other yeah. Other directions and then meets all of these other archetypes of men and.
Speaker 5 (00:51:34) - Have a interesting.
*Lauren * (00:51:35) - Feel like Jimmy would be good on on the street.
Speaker 5 (00:51:37) - Videos.
*Lauren * (00:51:38) - On like interviews. Yeah like interview Jimmy interviewing people on the street.
*Lauren * (00:51:43) - Yeah. Might be fun. Yeah. Talk to them about masculinity or.
Richard (00:51:47) - Yeah I have a great I really enjoying the show because, you know, he's he's on a quest to become a man he's quite excited about because, you know, he's seen Mission Impossible and Brave Heart and knows what a man is.
Speaker 5 (00:51:57) - He's ready.
Richard (00:51:58) - He's going to get a horse and it's.
Speaker 5 (00:51:59) - Going to be, oh.
Richard (00:52:00) - Wow. But then he's in the real world and he's on a stage with this group of people. And there's no guidance really for what that is anymore or in this world.
Speaker 5 (00:52:09) - Um.
Richard (00:52:10) - And then at some point turns to the audience and is like, Hey, you got any. I'm on a quest to become a man. You got any advice for me? And then wait for a response from the audience. I show you a man. But yeah, you are. Man Great. And what did you do to become a man and people? Yeah, the same thing you said when poking people stuttering.
Richard (00:52:33) - And. And. And. Sure. And and then people say things and it's a range of things and often it's quite interesting and often very not often it's quite vague things like, oh, just just be yourself. It's kind of, Oh, okay, that's such a fascinating phrase. Be yourself, Which yeah, I embrace in some form, but kind of like this.
Speaker 5 (00:52:54) - Yeah. Like what does it mean?
Richard (00:52:56) - What do we what are we talking about? And actually, myself, I want to. I want to. I don't want to be myself. I want to upgrade. I want to. Yeah, I'm poking the the, the bear the audience with this.
Speaker 5 (00:53:09) - That's amazing. Yeah.
*Lauren * (00:53:10) - How do we manage them? Like you just.
Speaker 6 (00:53:11) - Get a chick, man.
Speaker 5 (00:53:13) - And.
Richard (00:53:14) - Then having fun to improvise these scenes that people give me. Oh well yeah. You get a lot of people say ridiculous. I know. Stand up straight and smile. Stand up straight.
Speaker 5 (00:53:24) - In.
Speaker 7 (00:53:26) - Okay, well, I'll try.
Speaker 7 (00:53:28) - Step number one, standing up straight, smiling. Okay. Am I a man now?
Speaker 5 (00:53:34) - Yeah.
*Lauren * (00:53:34) - That's so fun. Oh, well, do you look forward to it. Thank you for joining us.
Speaker 5 (00:53:38) - Yeah, Thank you so much. Thanks. Very nice.
*Lauren * (00:53:40) - So there you have it. You can follow the podcast on my page at Lauren Lodge, Lauren Lodge updates and inside info on my email list. Lauren Lodge Thank you to Annie McCUTCHEON for editing Edward Silla on Radio Misfits Podcast Network and Matty MacLennan for making the podcast art. Thanks to our listeners for bringing us back for another season. We'll see you soon.
Speaker 8 (00:54:08) - The preceding was a presentation of the Radio Misfits Podcast Network. Find our other great shows on iTunes, Stitcher Radio, and at Radio Misfits.
Episode 3 - Andy Weld and Shoa Tavassoli of Bad Medicine Comedy
laurenlogi
You for welcome to our misfit melodrama episode I am here with Andy Weld and showa appleman they are from bad medicine comedy so tell us a little bit about yourself and all the fun things you do.
00:04.88
Shoa Appelman
Hello.
00:07.51
Andy Weld
Um, or.
00:12.61
Shoa Appelman
Oh great. Well I'm Shoah Appleman nice to meet you and have you or talk to you? Um I've been with bad medicine which is a sketch comedy group in Washington d c since 2014 and we do sketch comedy all around the country even in Canada. And we do video and online productions as well. And um, I'm a writer director actor with the team.
00:38.74
laurenlogi
Super fun.
00:40.93
Andy Weld
Um, yeah, show up pretty much took all of my stuff. Um I've been with yeah in high school Once someone we were going around saying what we've done over spring break and one of my friends said all the thing done it. None of the that done. Um.
00:45.45
laurenlogi
Nay, Great show. Ah.
00:45.58
Shoa Appelman
Thanks, no, that's I had to go first.
00:54.39
laurenlogi
Oh.
00:59.38
Andy Weld
But no, not of course no so my name is Andy Weld I also perform with bad medicine I've been with bad medicine since 2016 um I write direct perform. Um, yeah and I also show I both teach. Yeah, we both teach comedy classes.
00:59.45
Shoa Appelman
That's not what just happened here about.
01:11.18
laurenlogi
Um.
01:12.31
Shoa Appelman
And we also look teach classes as we reduction classes.
01:18.63
Andy Weld
At the Dc improv.
01:19.16
laurenlogi
super fun, super fun cool all right so let's get I'm gonna invite Carella in to come here and help us do this segment. Um, where people write in and tell us their craziest family stories. We collect family stories at the miss of variety show and also people just send them in because people love to share. They're crazy shit. Um, and you know for the record we're not laughing at you. We're laughing with you because were that what happens is. Ah, we end up having crazier stories. So don't worry about it. You're fine. You're fine. We love. It's all love okay, all right car meicia. Yes, she has me here. She has to say the nice stuff because I'm a Linda I'm from bulk of its to Florida originally from Brooklyn. Okay I have a little more of a heart reg. But you know it's all love still all. Love.
02:04.84
Andy Weld
No.
02:08.92
laurenlogi
Shall we you look horrified a little bit.
02:09.12
Shoa Appelman
No Carmel I Love it's nice to meet you. You sound like you have money So I'm just like interested.
02:14.90
laurenlogi
I have money I live in bo over its on Florida and a little flat thing that could be a trailer it and wheels do I carrying myself? Well well, that's the first I've ever heard wow that's amazing. Thank you show was gonna hang out with me from that on.
02:20.61
Shoa Appelman
Oh you carry yourself? well.
02:31.89
laurenlogi
She gives me compliments. No one ever gives me compliments. Wow that's amazing. All right? So here's a story for entertainment. My brother and I would jump over our father who was passed out on the front lawn. You know we had this another time. We're gonna do with with this is a set we had Australia people. We did this one with so let's a reprise here. Okay, what do you think about this if for entertainment my brother and I would jump over a father who was passed out in the front law I know what the Australia people said about it. What about Dc. What do you think.
03:03.65
Andy Weld
I would imagine he's passed out drunk. But maybe he's trying to be like 1 of those horse gates and they want to be like practicing for dressage.
03:13.00
Shoa Appelman
Oh Nice. So as um, good as a parent. This is a blueie plotline to me. So This seems like a delightful new way to play actively with your child. Um. Dad here sounds like he's a very involved loving parent and he's engaging the kids in this very fun exercise. Um.
03:33.21
Andy Weld
But he's passed out. It didn't say that I did it I think that's a our key element here is that he is um, something has caused him to no longer be with it and whether that's a blow to the head so abuse a nap because.
03:47.23
Shoa Appelman
Um.
03:49.66
Andy Weld
Kids are trying to jump over him. We don't know and and and all of us.
03:52.85
laurenlogi
So what is the P fluey thing this is so I don't know what this p fluey thing is show. Ah.
03:57.50
Shoa Appelman
Oh it's um, bluey is a hit television show with the kids and so and actually takes place in Australia and the plot is. It's a dog who's got 2 kids named blueie.
03:59.80
Andy Weld
Um, bluey the bee.
04:04.27
laurenlogi
A blow away. Um.
04:12.20
Shoa Appelman
And um, he's a great dad and he does a lot of role play exercises and Improv exercises with his children and there is I think an episode where if he plays dead and the children just jump over him and as parents we all took notes for like that looks like a very good activity I could get points for.
04:29.25
laurenlogi
Right? You could just have a nap on the floor and then they could just jump over you.
04:31.37
Shoa Appelman
So I hear that story and I just think oh yeah, it could be an app on the floor. Um, they're at a hospital. The kids are helping and physical activity. Those kids are thriving they are. They're doing very well. They're not doing screen time they're out there.
04:40.53
laurenlogi
Yeah, they're not having screen time. That's the benefit. They're actually outside you don't see kids outside anymore. So now you actually listen hey. However, you get them outside.
04:48.70
Shoa Appelman
I know. However, yeah, that dad wins. He's just doing the best of all of us.
04:57.71
Andy Weld
I will admit I approach this much more cynically than you did show I saw this as as a bad thing but it it seems and maybe this is because I'm not a parent and I'm not constantly trying to entertain children. In fact, I'm trying to avoid them. Um, but yeah.
05:09.61
Shoa Appelman
Um.
05:09.87
laurenlogi
I Agree in all course.
05:11.98
Shoa Appelman
Yeah, no I wrote that down that was like tomorrow's exercise.
05:13.65
Andy Weld
Yeah, but.
05:21.38
laurenlogi
I love ah so by the way this is just a side. No, we could take to that. There's 3 this is this is good thing because it you can talk over each other like a regular conversation because the tracks are separate so it's easy for the editor. So don't worry about it just just talk away just talk away. Um, don't worry.
05:31.36
Andy Weld
Um, all individuals are the next.
05:34.32
Shoa Appelman
Oh thank you actually because visually I'm seeing it and was panicking a little bit. So thank you.
05:39.13
laurenlogi
Oh it's all fine because that's the thing The good thing because there aren't separate things you can easily yes and that's actually a trend in the podcast Now everyone's doing the the more organic talking. That's the whole thing.
05:43.23
Andy Weld
All very nice.
05:45.95
Shoa Appelman
Ah, great. Thank you Carmel.
05:50.81
Andy Weld
Now Would you describe yourself as a trendy podcaster.
05:53.00
Shoa Appelman
Um, um.
05:55.61
laurenlogi
Would I score myself a trendy podcaster I would say I am ah I just do what Larman Gigs Lauren gives me and just ah benefit from it and that's all that's what I that's what I would say I don't do I don't do trends I just do life.
06:11.86
Andy Weld
Do you go I like it.
06:13.79
laurenlogi
The martinis sit by the pool occasionally Disney when I think and the least amount of children are gonna be there. That's what it usually I do it's a drive but now you know they get in the train from to orlandzo by the way I just got to say it's so funny to see.
06:23.40
Andy Weld
It's sort of a drive from Boca isn't it.
06:27.74
Andy Weld
Oh my goodness.
06:28.61
Shoa Appelman
Um, all.
06:33.76
laurenlogi
What that you? what the DC people versus the Australia people with this question. It's so funny because the d you guys are deliberate like deliberate with the question and considering from different angles. The australians were like yeah my cousin was that drunk once like they just a little more.
06:51.89
Shoa Appelman
Ah.
06:53.72
laurenlogi
A little a little different. It's so funny. Everyone's I should do this question around the world I got to do with different people. Comedian.
06:57.54
Andy Weld
Yeah I think I would suspect the brits would have a similar answer to the Australians about cousins being passed out drunk.
07:03.98
laurenlogi
Cousin being past or they might be like we he did it and we never talked about it.
07:08.80
Shoa Appelman
Yes, yes.
07:10.40
Andy Weld
That's true. The the silent reserve of the I come from from old New England stock and we have a lot of that a lot of that kind of you don't talk about it.
07:18.98
laurenlogi
Yeah, that's interesting because well will you learn at the show because Lauren up italian right? like she's italian we grew up a time but she found out she's from the sperm donor ah a wasp but whatever those people all your people are so she's learning about her culture.
07:30.60
Andy Weld
Yeah, yeah, boat shoes. That's a key to the wasp culture boat shoes and ah um, will give you blisters but they look nice with us here sucker that where she talk.
07:35.89
laurenlogi
So. Yeah, those rich fuckers and loafers and shorts. That's.
07:44.93
Shoa Appelman
Well Lorne didn't know she was a wasp before her.
07:47.19
laurenlogi
No Italian How the guy came to be because I'm like the I'm like ever Italian ants though. Family's Italian and then she found out. She was a wasp. It's the whole thing. It's very traumatic. But yes.
07:59.44
Andy Weld
Was that an ancestry dot Dna Dot Com here we go I Believe it's all coming together Now it's all coming together now.
08:05.80
laurenlogi
That's what Hence Ancestrys our comedy that's the s subtitle from some. It's the all coming together. It's all coming together but we'll maybe we'll interview you was I Am'm thinking now maybe will you can give us the wasp.
08:06.97
Shoa Appelman
Oh right now.
08:20.78
Andy Weld
Oh I be happy to pull back the curtain on exactly.
08:23.14
laurenlogi
The wasp four one one on the wasp culture. You know if you want to know so she's done research. There's a thing called born rich have you seen it? Okay Ivanka Trump's friends was.
08:35.00
Andy Weld
Um, no I don't think so.
08:41.72
Andy Weld
Um.
08:42.38
laurenlogi
Old Money New York Upper Eastside did he wanted to become a filmmaker and had the money of course to do it so he films his all his friends around their eighteenth birthday and then he made a documentary I mean it's a terrible documentary. But. Ah, do you get to see all these people the inside.
09:02.13
Andy Weld
I Imagine they just feel very disconnected from reality.
09:05.54
laurenlogi
They do and then he has a conversation with his father I Want to have a career and his father is like why would you have a career just learn to paint to something. Yeah I know it's like that would be nice. He's like oh poor me no and.
09:15.58
Shoa Appelman
That sounds nice aspirational. But.
09:18.58
Andy Weld
That.
09:23.78
laurenlogi
Wants me to do anything. It's like I don't want to do anything.
09:27.84
Shoa Appelman
Mm rice.
09:28.12
Andy Weld
And that is a luxury affordage of the rich to be able to say I don't want to do it I want to do something I could do nothing but I want to do something. It's what ah is that John Adams quote I must study warfare. So my son can study politics and my son's son can study like math and poetry.
09:41.61
laurenlogi
Mean Wait so are a world wasps from old money is that a thing is that always the connection.
09:43.31
Andy Weld
It. That's not the right quote but it's that's the gist of it.
09:51.36
Andy Weld
I think that's the broad thing because there are certainly protestants that aren't from money in new england but usually the people who weren't for money in in new england certainly in the Boston area or the irish and the italians um, so the more. The the definitive the the protestants um often had more money they were the landowners all that. So.
10:14.51
laurenlogi
Right? Swana I have a end I just I'm very weary of the wasp but I just think they've because it's the generational oppression I just sense it meeting them. Yes, they did they sing the passive aggressive shit.
10:24.97
Andy Weld
Yeah, help stingia as you ah they yeah they're cutting. It's it's quiet but cutting the wasp aesthetic. Yeah it. Yeah um.
10:26.12
Shoa Appelman
N.
10:32.40
laurenlogi
That's hard.
10:36.20
laurenlogi
Did you see that a flagmates that would they do a a lesson on that show What you got to see it. They talk about passive aggressive. They're like oh passive aggressive and then the guy gets aggressive aggressive and I'm like that would have been me.
10:41.72
Andy Weld
Meet staff. Oh it's phenomenal.
10:53.97
Shoa Appelman
That yeah I would start aggressive aggressive.
10:55.78
laurenlogi
Ok I think shall we you would start aggressive. Are you so nice.
11:00.00
Shoa Appelman
No, actually in my mind I would start aggressive aggressive but out loud. It would just be apologies a fews of apologies and.
11:06.64
Andy Weld
Show is very concerned that she's offensive very often and she never is but she's very concerned about it.
11:07.19
laurenlogi
Snow walk.
11:11.80
Shoa Appelman
I Need more wasp energy.
11:14.75
laurenlogi
Show You couldn't You couldn't offend a fruitful eye. You're so sweet.
11:19.22
Shoa Appelman
Oh thank you. Thank you? Carmella that is very kind but I think I could say a couple scathing words to a fruitly and then you know what I do murder and then I would feel guilty for hours hour hours hour hours upon hours.
11:26.62
laurenlogi
What would you do.
11:26.74
Andy Weld
Ah.
11:32.84
laurenlogi
Wow. But that sounds like Kathpa gil. It's a wasp thing too.
11:39.42
Shoa Appelman
Um, no I come from a strong Persian guilt background and I'm married into a Jewish family. So we have it the guilt runs and seeps through the veins versions are I think we invented it. We invented Algebra we invented. Um.
11:44.24
laurenlogi
Um.
11:49.16
laurenlogi
Persians do the guilt too.
11:55.44
Andy Weld
Um, what you you didn't say it like the first time. Um.
11:57.20
Shoa Appelman
Ah, yeah, absolutely we invented astrobra. We invented Oh sorry ah we invented the mathematics and I think we invented guilt.
12:04.93
laurenlogi
That's such a wasp thing. They didn't say it right anyway ignore him. Okay, go kill him goodness. This is these wasps I swear okay show ah go I'll continue you continue.
12:08.60
Andy Weld
Um, there's a way out words. That's all I'm saying there's a way to pronounce words.
12:14.94
Shoa Appelman
Um, oh no. So I think we invented guilt as well. Our people did it all the sciences astronomy and guilt.
12:15.41
Andy Weld
By.
12:21.50
laurenlogi
Instead What? Wow Wow You know it's a lot of cults very interesting then I talk about being Italian you know it's like.. There's lots of cultures with the guilt. It's very interesting how they people do it.
12:40.50
Shoa Appelman
It's powerful and I guess you have to decide. Do you keep going with it. Did it serve you well or do you pass it down to the next generation and right now it serves you Well if you I don't I don't know would you pass guilt down to your children.
12:45.80
Andy Weld
Would you prefer to ask guilt down to the next generation.
12:54.29
laurenlogi
Absolutely you want to cut back on Therapy so you but guilt makes them do stuff for you.
12:56.60
Andy Weld
Um I prefer to just cut back on their therapy bills. But I don't know maybe.
12:57.71
Shoa Appelman
That's spring.
13:02.79
Shoa Appelman
Right.
13:06.50
Andy Weld
That's fair I'm not having children. So this is like not a It's not something that I have to consider maybe I'll pass it on like secondhand to my siblings kids but not for me I can.
13:15.36
Shoa Appelman
I Don't is there value to guilt like walking around feeling guilty about things I think it's probably healthy for society I've never thought about it before I thought this is as good a time as any to to think about.
13:28.40
Andy Weld
Oh boy I've spent a lot of time in therapy talking about exactly this thing.
13:33.30
Shoa Appelman
Guilt. Yeah I'm not thinking that.
13:33.43
laurenlogi
So what? And what are the the pits Andy save us some therapy bills.
13:36.95
Andy Weld
Well sure all right? All right? As long as guilt is not affecting the choices you make you like as long as your choices are not being informed by an overwhelming sense of guilt and guilt is just like any other emotion. Just informing it. The other big thing with guilt and any other emotion that has a negative connotation is to not judge that emotion. It's just to feel that emotion and you feel guilty. Okay I'm guilty I'm sad I'm frustrated but I don't put a level of judgment. On that I don't judge that I'm guilty I don't judge that I'm sad because then you just spiral in on yourself.
14:19.22
Shoa Appelman
Okay, so let's circle back to the fly. So the fly comes it lands on my computer desk because that's the light is on and I look at it and I Google um, well no first I take an app with my a picture with my app to see if the fly is poisonous or toxic.
14:22.10
laurenlogi
Yes.
14:23.21
Andy Weld
Yeah, you know.
14:35.82
Shoa Appelman
And then the fly might carry disease. So then I murder the fly and then I feel guilty because what if the fly was trying to talk to me and approach me and thought I was approachable but now I've killed it and so as long as I don't What no.
14:49.74
laurenlogi
It's got nothing good to say. Ah, it's got nothing good to say.
14:49.74
Andy Weld
Um, I What? what? what? what does the fly up say to you.
14:54.36
Shoa Appelman
I Don't know maybe it's trying to make that leap from like fly to human and it saw me as a potential vessel. It didn't write. That's a good thing. So maybe it's we shouldn't be communicating So no, that's good. So handy you are saying my feeling guilty is fine.
15:01.13
Andy Weld
Um, Jeff Goldblum tried that and it didn't work. It didn't work. Well.
15:13.19
Shoa Appelman
As long as I don't spiral into despair over murdering the fly. Okay, great. All right I think that's great. You save me again.
15:16.61
Andy Weld
Correct.
15:19.13
laurenlogi
Right? So they just got an add spiral just kill the fucking fly and have a drink.
15:25.23
Andy Weld
Um, exactly kill the fly kill your Darlings kill the fly.
15:28.61
Shoa Appelman
Okay, yes I know I even get indignant after all I'm like well how dare you come into my house I didn't invite you in right? No exactly.
15:28.79
laurenlogi
Killed The fly is the hashtag for this episode.
15:33.56
Andy Weld
Um, you go have take still the fly.
15:41.18
laurenlogi
That's right fuck that flag. Comes in put with all the pup. It sat On. It's distributing that around your house.
15:46.82
Shoa Appelman
And.
15:50.20
Andy Weld
Um, you know who have an infant you got to protect that infant.
15:52.45
Shoa Appelman
Oh absolutely absolutely and it like it tops on all the food that I've already washed exactly? Yeah, so thank you I So now we've resolved my fly guilt a little bit. Um.
15:57.64
laurenlogi
Yes, right? because you're mother too. You would kill anything for the give you me a break mother this you know.
16:07.84
Shoa Appelman
Oh apps. Oh oh my gosh I've never I didn't know it was possible to get mad at like other three year olds but I have now in my head like a list of kids who have like wronged my child and it is wild suppressing those emotions.
16:19.33
laurenlogi
You know people some people are are outside crazy shower I think you got a lot still not onto there.
16:25.76
Shoa Appelman
Yeah.
16:28.84
Andy Weld
Um I can confirm ah is ah like a duck you know looks calm on the surface but underneath lots of motion. Um.
16:31.32
laurenlogi
I can't.
16:38.50
Shoa Appelman
Oh yeah, no I like to think I'm talking to kindred spirits no carmilla Lauren and you yes you yes.
16:41.81
laurenlogi
Oh oh oh my god I got I got ven dead is for days you want to know who I fucking hate will I know so many people I want to know about these three year olds because kids can be assholes I don't care what anyone says oh this will cue. They can be assholes.
16:53.25
Andy Weld
Um, yeah I want to hear five year olds
16:57.27
Shoa Appelman
They and they do it well and they're cute. No I can't I mustn't because I will be sharing this with my mom.
17:01.15
Andy Weld
Oh come on. You're gonna anonymize the 3 year old come on give us 1 give us a taste.
17:09.91
Shoa Appelman
A taste.
17:11.33
laurenlogi
The notice how we hear none say it's that T at the end to taste. Okay.
17:14.92
Shoa Appelman
Oh yes, taste.
17:19.67
Andy Weld
Show up now all right.
17:21.49
Shoa Appelman
I can't I have to you have to suppress them as a healthy adult because these are the stories right? Like you remember you're like and that mom went and like destroyed that thirteen year old's birthday by pretending to like catfish her just because of something that happened twelve years ago
17:38.80
Andy Weld
Please don't catfish any 13 year old show don't catfish anyone please don't catfish any thirteen year olds
17:38.41
Shoa Appelman
So I will not be caught I would never I would look no no I think those women are crazy. But then I can now now as a mom I can see how that happened I'm like it took like 1 small slight one little girl like hitting yours in the head or. 1 girl ty in and girl like not yeah, no it. It just happened like little things happen. You kind of store it away. You're like oh yes, okay, and then and then the problem is all the kids today. They're not all named like Sarah or Jessica they all have very unique names.
17:56.45
Andy Weld
That's what it was was violence. We know you let it slip.
18:11.99
Shoa Appelman
So I can't throw out a name because there's only one like eunice in the class. No, there's no unices I had to rack my brain for a name but that all of the other names they like there's just one of every single child. It's not like it was I hope.
18:14.65
Andy Weld
Oh her name is eunice and she hit your child.
18:15.81
laurenlogi
Ah, that's right.
18:22.85
laurenlogi
She was turning red by the way I Just want to tell everyone show it. It's turning red. Okay, but these kids are assholes and you have a vendettala I got a vendetta list. You know people you know you talk to people and I'm like I kind of secretly hate you I got that alive with my family.
18:26.85
Andy Weld
Um, a I bright Red Bright red.
18:40.33
Shoa Appelman
Oh yeah, I Yes no I Actively I have a whatsapp notifications turned off so I can be like oh I'm sorry uncle I Missed your message.
18:41.13
Andy Weld
Oh yeah.
18:41.97
laurenlogi
You know who pisses me off who did this who.
18:51.19
Andy Weld
I have muted our like my mom's side of the family 26 people have a group chat it is absolutely muted. It's not muted for my partner. She'll say to me hey did you see this in in the group chat and I'll say no and I'm very happy.
19:05.27
Shoa Appelman
All your partners on the family group chat that's very good by by design or just like someone's doing it. Oh.
19:10.60
Andy Weld
Ah, all the spouses get added I don't know for a while I didn't have an iphone so I was blissfully unaware and then I got bullied. Um.
19:20.52
laurenlogi
Wow That sounds like you led So it's like inviting siblings to the group chat it's like do you want to hate our family.
19:30.34
Andy Weld
You know it seems like it's just if you're in it. You're either in it. Ah you know in for a penny in for a pound um and she's committed at this point she's she's been in the group chat for longer than I have at this point and seems Happy. With me we could ignore that she's out on a date with another person right now but she seems very happy with Me. You know? Oh yeah, I'm the Polia a a row Specifically that's me.
19:51.80
laurenlogi
Your your Paul is that right? So what are you the polyamma row or whatever. Okay, the em rud so she's dating someone else right now. Wow let's getting freak.
19:53.27
Shoa Appelman
I'm all the oh.
20:03.80
Andy Weld
He is yes down on a day have a great time I think regular partner.
20:09.88
laurenlogi
Ok, ok, a regular part now with the poy I can't I have a husband I can't stand I can't imagine inviting more people into my life I can't freaking stand. Okay, that's exciting. Ok have you told your family about this.
20:24.20
Andy Weld
Ah, no, well sort of um so before we got married my partner had said that she didn't want to be. She didn't want us to be pronounced man and wife because a she hates the word wife and. It was important to her as a queer woman to not be put in this traditional gender writer and so I mentioned this to my mother we were at a bar in Dc. My I don't know where Sarah was Sarah my partner but I was there with my mom and my dad my dad went to the bathroom and I mentioned to my mom. Oh hey.
20:45.66
laurenlogi
Guests.
21:00.39
Andy Weld
Um, by the way when we get married. We're not gonna do the men and wife thing we're gonna be pronounced partners and my mom in a way that was like both strikingly accurate and minorly bigoted said does that mean she dates women too just that was her first question.
21:16.15
Shoa Appelman
What.
21:20.12
Andy Weld
Question number one I was so shocked by this that I said yep and then my dad came back from the bathroom and we never continued that conversation.
21:33.68
Shoa Appelman
Andi I was at your wedding and I didn't think twice about that terminology I just thought it was great terminology because in farsi the word for spouse is sar ham which translated means shared head. Yeah and so it.
21:44.30
Andy Weld
Oh I like that.
21:49.90
Shoa Appelman
Ah, like for when you said partner I was like yeah that's a good word and so that's funny that your mom was so progressive that she picked up on it.
21:54.31
Andy Weld
Well my aunt came up to me afterwards and said I just love I Love how politically correct you guys are saying partner. Thank you.
22:03.29
laurenlogi
I Love that I can't believe no one at a family party pissed off has been like your fucking wife's a carpet mucher. She's fucking you know with something she's getting that pussy. You know all and no one says anything. It's unbelievable. You want sister.
22:15.39
Andy Weld
No, it's the it's the wasp. It's the restrained wasp thing. Everybody keeps it in and silently judges and leaves you out of the will. So I imagine that shoe will drop one day. But for the time being I'm okay I will I will.
22:20.80
laurenlogi
Are.
22:27.33
laurenlogi
Time being well you have to come back on and tell us to manage I wow. Well thank you guys so much. Oh my god I love how we all it was I think we got through 1 or maybe 2 questions. It's a pinor was boxs here.
22:30.25
Shoa Appelman
Man you must update it on your wills Pat it's right.
22:32.84
Andy Weld
Yeah, when my parents died I'll come back on the show.
22:43.10
Andy Weld
Um, one we did one we did just the one so one.
22:45.58
laurenlogi
It just 1 question with that much melod Dramama who knew who know? Okay, well thank you so much for coming I'll bring laur on to say goodbye all right? Well thank you guys? Oh my god so fun. Carmella Carmella's
22:53.90
Andy Weld
Great. Thank you Great to great job. You come out.
22:54.43
Shoa Appelman
Oh thanks Carmelo is great chatting.
23:03.96
laurenlogi
Gonna she's drinking a martini now. Oh ah, she's really pouring it and she's oh yeah, she's the 3 olives extra dry. Yeah, she gets crazy well tell us all about where we can come see you and find you well, we definitely gonna be together September thirtieth
23:05.15
Andy Weld
She is she a dirty martini gal What kind of martini. Oh Wow who.
23:08.33
Shoa Appelman
Um, like.
23:21.79
Shoa Appelman
Ask.
23:23.63
laurenlogi
At the Miss Variety show and then where else. But what people are listening to this beyond the state. Ah, when can people find you where can people find you.
23:24.92
Andy Weld
Um, the more.
23:26.61
Shoa Appelman
Yeah, wonderful on September Twenty six at the Dc Improv in Washington Dc you can catch us for the show. Bad medicine presents fever dream and it's at seven thirty tickets are online at the Dc Improv and it's going to be a good show.
23:44.81
laurenlogi
Sounds great.
23:46.55
Andy Weld
And broadly. You can find us out in the world on different social media things on bad medicinecomedy.com um bad medicine comedy on pretty much any social media platform you can find us there. Um, yeah, lots of lots of video sketches. Lots of updates. Every year for someone's birthday. 1 of our producers texts everyone what movie does this make you does this person make you think of and then he just puts up movie posters for that person's birthday on our social media pages. Um, now you know.
24:16.87
laurenlogi
Sweet. These are so cute. Yay.
24:19.91
Shoa Appelman
Somebody chose Ama Lee for me and I was like you have to tell me because this person is clearly in love with me. Yeah, and that was not what was going on at all. Oh no.
24:27.80
Andy Weld
Um, ah.
24:29.37
laurenlogi
Oh that says you never find out now. Ah that says and you turn red again.
24:36.64
Andy Weld
Then I sorry after.
24:37.79
Shoa Appelman
Yeah.
24:37.87
laurenlogi
Ah, well so fun. Um, well thanks for coming I um, we'll we'll see you god meet you guys in person in DC I can't wait. Yeah, thank you blue light blue light. Yeah I got this in Amazon Five bucks
24:43.76
Shoa Appelman
Oh lots why and I'd love your glasses Lauren those are great. Oh say I just got new ones and I'm like I should have gotten the blue light on them. They're fantastic. Oh they look good.
24:45.37
Andy Weld
Can't wait Lauren all smart smart funny good Sam.
24:56.99
laurenlogi
There you yeah there you go all right? Well thanks, see you guys soon. Be nice. Yeah.
Episode 2 - Elizabeth Kemp and Bethany Stokes of Bad Medicine Comedy
*Lauren * (00:00:12) - Welcome to misfits making it where oddballs and we're doing cool stuff. I'm your host, Lauren Logitech. This is the podcast version of the comedy shows I host around New York City and the Road, the Misfit variety show and all the shows at the Misfit comedy space down in Little Italy. The Capiche Club come visit us. This is the Misfit melodrama episode. We're going to share audience submitted stories and then riff on them. Remember, we are riffing more on ourselves than anyone else. If you would like to submit a story, you can do so by leaving a message at 646 Wang 0X1 That's 646. Wang 0X1. Or you could just go to the podcast page on Lauren Logic. That's Lauren, Click Listen, then podcast, and then you can leave it right there. And my co-host for these misfit melodrama episodes is Carmela Ravioli, your auntie from Boca Raton, Florida. Thanks for having me. I'm very entertaining, so I'm necessary for things. Okay, So for the next two episodes, we are welcoming the improv troupe, Bad Medicine.
*Lauren * (00:01:33) - They are the premiere sketch comedy troupe in Washington, DC. They perform at the Improv and all over the place. They are fan freaking tastic, super fun. So fun. We had a divided in two so we can maximize the fun on the podcast so you can see them performing at the Misfit variety show on September 30th in Washington, DC. Now if you're listening to this after September 30th, well, you know, you never know. We might just be back. So make sure to follow both of us and figure out when we will be joining forces again before we go into the misfit melodrama. Quick reminder to support the podcast. Few things you can do. You can rate and review. Listen, misfits trust other misfits to know what's good. So give us some proof of that right In review, you can also sign up at Lauren Lodge or you can sponsor a podcast. Yes, we are making it accessible for individuals to gift each other, podcast episodes, or just have a podcast. Be in your honor, Your own honor.
*Lauren * (00:02:37) - You can sponsor it. We will make it fun. Go to Lauren, click on Listen podcast and contact us there to figure it out and contact us there to make it happen. All right, let's get into misfit melodrama with bad medicine. Welcome to Misfit melodrama. I have two very important people here. They are Bethany and Elizabeth from Bad Medicine comedy in Washington, DC. Bethany, Elizabeth, tell us about yourselves.
*Bethany * (00:03:05) - Well, I'm Bethany. I'm a part of bad medicine with my super good buddy Elizabeth here. I've been in the group for about I don't even know, like five years. I can't remember. But I perform and I've just started writing sketch and I'm helping direct our show on September 26th at the Improv. So it's a very exciting time.
*Lauren * (00:03:26) - Very exciting. And then you'll be hot off that to get to Misfit variety show on September 30th and DC. So that's really exciting.
*Bethany * (00:03:32) - Yes, exactly. Yes.
*Lauren * (00:03:34) - Cool. And Elizabeth.
Elizbaeth (00:03:36) - I am Elizabeth Kemp. I am the founding member of Bad Medicine.
Elizbaeth (00:03:40) - I'm one of our directors, actors, producers. The whole bit. Yeah. Let's let's talk about weird family stuff.
*Lauren * (00:03:46) - Weird family stuff. Okay. And, you know, people listening don't get alarmed. This how this turns out is that you tell us your crazy family stuff and it ends up we tell you more than you tell us. And we, in fact, probably have crazier family stuff than you. So no shame. There's no shame here. There's no shaming. It's all good. I don't know. Carmela, Ravioli is going to come meet you here. Hello. Good to see you all. Hello, Bethany. Elizabeth, nice to see you in Washington, DC. I've never been I just to DC, I just drive through on the way to Boca Raton from Brooklyn. Okay. All right. So here we go. The question this is from collected at a show. All right, so what's the craziest or most unforgettable family experience you've ever had? And the answer is, I discovered after 75 years who I thought was my father was not my biological father.
*Bethany * (00:04:44) - Well, sorry.
Elizbaeth (00:04:46) - 75 years.
*Lauren * (00:04:48) - 75.
*Bethany * (00:04:50) - Wow.
*Lauren * (00:04:51) - Wow.
Elizbaeth (00:04:52) - How do you even find that out? Like, who's alive still? Who would also know that information and who would have told you?
*Lauren * (00:04:59) - Oh, Ancestry.com. That's where it's at.
*Bethany * (00:05:02) - Oh, I thought maybe they were, like, unpacking an attic and they found, like, a long lost birth certificate or so also happening.
*Lauren * (00:05:12) - That happens all the things because all the Spain during the revolution, they used to take people out of the houses and put them in other people's houses so people would find, you know, that's.
Elizbaeth (00:05:23) - Crazy to contemplate because it's I'm sure it's happened, but the reality now exists that like, you could accidentally unravel your entire sense of being and identity with a Google search. Like that's that's crazy.
*Bethany * (00:05:37) - Yeah. Wow.
*Lauren * (00:05:38) - And it's crazy. Also, it's crazy to me. Not everyone knows how to hide the evidence. They're not Italian. Apparently. So. Yeah.
*Bethany * (00:05:44) - Yeah. I'm tragically not Italian, so it's okay.
*Lauren * (00:05:47) - Not everyone's perfect.
*Bethany * (00:05:49) - It's okay.
Elizbaeth (00:05:49) - So how do you find out someone is not Italian? Like, what's the dead giveaway?
*Lauren * (00:05:54) - How do I tell someone's not Italian? Yeah. Oh, they trust people.
Elizbaeth (00:05:57) - They trust people. Okay.
*Bethany * (00:05:58) - Yeah. Then, Elizabeth, you might be Italian.
*Lauren * (00:06:02) - We can't see Elizabeth. Now you're hearing this, so you don't know the week how laptop camera is not working and was suspicious as soon as I found that out.
Elizbaeth (00:06:12) - That's true.
*Bethany * (00:06:12) - But I've met Elizabeth. I know that she's not catfishing us. I promise. I've met her before in person.
Elizbaeth (00:06:19) - I am also.
*Lauren * (00:06:20) - Obvious. Who knows? Who knows? What she's doing is she's sitting there bagging up drugs right now without us knowing.
Elizbaeth (00:06:25) - You got me. I've been on so much TikTok now learning about side hustles that I'm just like, This is it. This is what I'm going to do with my life.
*Lauren * (00:06:33) - She's like quote unquote, bad medicine. Bad medicine thing. Okay. Yeah. Can we say.
Elizbaeth (00:06:39) - Yeah, I took that very literally.
Elizbaeth (00:06:41) - Everyone else thinks it's just like a bit and it's just like the name of us to get group. Like, no, it's a business.
*Lauren * (00:06:47) - That's my side hustle. Well, it's bad medicine, but not the fentanyl. Bad.
Elizbaeth (00:06:52) - That's bad.
*Bethany * (00:06:53) - Yeah, it's just coke. Yeah. You know. Yeah. It's only the fun. The fun things, you know, nothing that's, like, devastating.
*Lauren * (00:07:01) - You know, you need to have bad medicine, needs to have your own brand of weed products.
*Bethany * (00:07:07) - That's the dream. That's when we've known that we've made it.
*Lauren * (00:07:10) - Any other asshole's doing that?
Elizbaeth (00:07:12) - That would really be embracing our identity. Actually, We've always kind of like wanted to stay away from being too focused. But actually, yeah, yeah, we could do that.
*Bethany * (00:07:26) - That's the thing we can get behind.
Elizbaeth (00:07:28) - We could even start like, bad medicine, ketamine, therapy. Let's do.
*Lauren * (00:07:32) - It. You can have the chairs in the back of the the thing. Yeah. Getting ketamine therapy wouldn't get many laughs, so we'll just wrap.
Elizbaeth (00:07:41) - Blankets and tell them jokes and hope it cures their depression. It won't, but we'll charge them for it.
*Lauren * (00:07:47) - You know, we all need to make a TikTok about that. You'll go viral. Okay. Next one, The crazy. This one. Okay. This one, bro. Wait. Got drunk card throw up on me. This was New Year's Eve. Wait, So I think it's the brother got drunk, threw up on me. This was New Year's Eve. You ever have anyone throw up on?
*Bethany * (00:08:10) - You know. Can't say that I have, but I've gotten really pooped on by a bird once, so it feels kind of similar. That's. What was it, a.
Elizbaeth (00:08:19) - Holiday or was it just like a day when you got.
*Bethany * (00:08:21) - Poop time? I was literally biking through Adams Morgan in DC and I literally felt like someone threw something at me and I just got bird pooped right on my chest and I was like, Wow, should I just go home?
*Lauren * (00:08:34) - Anyways, So what did you do? What did you do it with the poop?
*Bethany * (00:08:38) - I, I was on my way to an improv rehearsal and I really had to be there.
*Bethany * (00:08:42) - So I just had an undershirt and I just took off my jacket and I just went in the bathroom, like, tried to clean myself off and was just like, Everyone, stay away from me. I might have bird poop all over me. So that was my day and was like just getting to know these people too. So it was really awkward.
Elizbaeth (00:08:58) - It's such a testament to your commitment to improv in such an absurd way that you were like, I. I was just epically shit on in the street, but I still came for this.
*Bethany * (00:09:12) - Yeah, like at high speed because I was on a bike. Like, it was like it was a high speed.
*Lauren * (00:09:18) - Splat.
*Bethany * (00:09:19) - Smash. But anyways, yeah, you probably.
Elizbaeth (00:09:22) - Probably wasn't personal. It was probably just wrong location, wrong time.
*Bethany * (00:09:26) - Yeah, Perfect location, perfect time. Okay. You know.
*Lauren * (00:09:30) - Wow. And then did the jacket smell in the bag? I'm just so curious that the aftermath.
*Bethany * (00:09:35) - Oh, yeah. It went straight to the laundry for sure.
Elizbaeth (00:09:38) - You kept the jacket?
*Bethany * (00:09:39) - Yeah, I was able to, like, scrape it off, you know, And I really liked the jacket, too. So, anyways, what an anecdote to start out with. Well.
*Lauren * (00:09:49) - Jacket. That's a good luck jacket.
*Bethany * (00:09:52) - I'll probably get married in it.
*Lauren * (00:09:54) - Well, that's the that's the that's the thing where it's where it's in the misfit variety show so then we can get good luck on it. Okay. Okay. All right So wait, wait. But back to this thing, though. Someone, they got drunk, the brother got drunk. So did you ever get drunk with your siblings? I don't want family parties. Everyone drinks. It always ends up in a fight. Everyone fighting with each other. Do you guys have any drink with your siblings?
*Bethany * (00:10:18) - Yes, I have some half siblings that are about, like 18 years older than me, so it took me a while to catch up to being 21. So I saw them a lot as like a kid.
*Bethany * (00:10:28) - But then once I was like, Oh yeah, I'll have a glass of wine. Then I realized how much wine everyone was drinking at every party. And yeah, usually ends up with my parents fighting with somebody. It's usually my parents. My parents are the fighters in the family.
*Lauren * (00:10:42) - Oh, your parents. So they get on some or they nagging someone and the person flips out or they just get in a fight. Getting mad at.
*Bethany * (00:10:49) - Someone think they always have like a baseline level of anger towards each other. Like it's never fully gone, you know? And then it's just kind of like, Oh, why did you decide to use those plates? Yeah. And so it's usually that and then it kind of like snowballs plus the alcohol into something.
*Lauren * (00:11:07) - I love it. And from the outside, everyone's like, Why are you upset about the plates? But there's nothing to do about the plates.
*Bethany * (00:11:12) - No way. It's never about the plates.
*Lauren * (00:11:15) - Elizabeth Don't know if you're going to tell us the truth.
*Lauren * (00:11:17) - Did you have you gotten drunk with your. Your sibling? I can't see your face to see if you're lying.
Elizbaeth (00:11:21) - So I have I have never gotten drunk with my siblings. I come in contrast to your deep Italian roots. I come from the the other side of Europe and the totaling north, you know, where where it's just a lot of repressed feeling and just a lot of a lot of people who don't drink and who just like channel all of their anxiety into like sparkling water and lemonade a lot. But I do I do get I am now that I am an adult living on my own. You know, I am I do proudly consider myself to be a mostly functional alcoholic. And I do sometimes get drunk. No, it's true. I, I nothing wrong with that. I said functional. Bethany, I'm still getting it all done. But. But while they are not my siblings, I have been known to come home and there is and sing to my pets. So there is a video out there somewhere of me doing like a full on, very intoxicated rendition of Miley Cyrus's wrecking ball, like to a dog named Stella.
Elizbaeth (00:12:40) - But I was I was in tune the whole time. And I think Stella was very into it.
*Lauren * (00:12:45) - That's beautiful. How did you know Stella was into it?
Elizbaeth (00:12:48) - She was just sort of very relaxed in my arms, even as I was sort of swinging her around. In the room and like, getting like, very into the chorus in her face. She did have back problems, though, so it's very possible that she was just unable to escape my grasp. But I prefer to think that it was that she truly loved me and loved being serenaded at 2:00 in the morning with a Miley Cyrus song.
*Lauren * (00:13:14) - Did you at least give her a tree to something?
Elizbaeth (00:13:15) - Oh, yeah. Oh yeah. Oh, that's good. I think she got pizza crust. Okay.
*Lauren * (00:13:20) - Wow. Wait, so you're from England? Is that what your heritage is from?
Elizbaeth (00:13:24) - Oh, I think if there was, there was a place you could go where people were even more pale than that. That those would be my people. It's like England.
Elizbaeth (00:13:32) - Scotland. It's like, where. Where does the sun not touch? Wow.
*Lauren * (00:13:36) - So that's my. Do you have your camera not on because you're afraid to raise are going to give you a sunburn from the late night TV? I said late night, whatever.
Elizbaeth (00:13:44) - No, truthfully, it's like the like that is a legitimate technology glitch. But even when it is functioning, it is it is the lighting has to be so well calibrated so that I don't look like a ghost who is just haunting the internet.
*Bethany * (00:14:00) - I look like a ghost. I'm very pale. I also don't have a light hair, so I look kind of blue. But. Oh well.
Elizbaeth (00:14:06) - You were flush though. You have a healthy flush. You look like a living, breathing person who's just like living your life to the fullest. Whereas I look like I just. I either just, like, emerged from a mine or, like, have been locked away, like with sickly Victorian children or something.
*Lauren * (00:14:24) - You say sickly Victorian children as it like fits you like a glove.
Elizbaeth (00:14:32) - I could. I could like cough gently into the microphone. I'll make it to the end of the.
Speaker 4 (00:14:41) - Podcast, I swear.
*Lauren * (00:14:43) - But Will Yeah, we're not sure. If you.
Elizbaeth (00:14:47) - Don't know. I don't know. I could go with my.
*Lauren * (00:14:48) - Mom and oh, if we.
*Bethany * (00:14:49) - Here. Yeah, it's a lot.
*Lauren * (00:14:50) - We hear the police sirens, then we know that someone's come for you to get you whatever you're begging on the other end of the call. Okay?
Elizbaeth (00:14:56) - Hey. Hey. I do live in Trinidad, so you.
*Lauren * (00:15:01) - Never know. Okay, Here's another one. Oh, my God. Talk about the drink. This is for you. A mormon family alcohol free cruise. This is the craziest thing they've ever done. And I agree. A mormon family, alcohol free cruise, tropical Paradise with virgin cocktails.
*Bethany * (00:15:19) - Yeah.
Elizbaeth (00:15:19) - Are there are there Mormon cruises without a bummer?
*Lauren * (00:15:23) - I guess not. I guess that's how they do it.
*Bethany * (00:15:26) - Wow, that sounds awful.
Elizbaeth (00:15:28) - It's just weird that they felt necessary to include that detail.
Elizbaeth (00:15:31) - Or are they not a mormon person? And they're going.
*Lauren * (00:15:35) - Guess they made it like, Oh yeah, yeah. Fun and Paradise with tropical cocktails. Like it was a good thing. Oh, that sounds like a death sentence to me. Yeah.
Elizbaeth (00:15:46) - The Mormons aren't the cruise part or the or the. The tropical cocktails part.
*Bethany * (00:15:51) - Can't be the tropical cocktails. It's just.
*Lauren * (00:15:53) - Juice. Yes, tropical cocktails. Well, the thing yes, the alcohol free part is what gets me.
Elizbaeth (00:15:59) - Oh, okay.
*Lauren * (00:16:00) - Mormons, whatever. I have conspiracy theory people in my family and I feel like Mormons them don't know people who think things that are we don't know. What do they do? The golden tablets or whatever they dug up from a tree, whatever they want to think, that's fine. Yeah, Yeah. I got people thinking that there's cults happening on the pizza shops in my family, so don't judge. Yeah, but the alcohol free thing seems like a torture to me. Would you.
Elizbaeth (00:16:24) - Would you join? The Mormon Church of Alcohol was featured more prominently in their religion.
*Lauren * (00:16:29) - And I've got time for that shit. Okay. I got to go to church then, right? Everybody got the Catholics breathing down my neck.
Elizbaeth (00:16:35) - Don't you know? I don't even know. I don't know what the. I don't know where. Where in that where in Mormonism. You draw the line between like where? Like the faith day to day and like, where the church fits into it. I don't know. I don't know how that works.
*Bethany * (00:16:48) - I think it's all day, all day or thinking about church.
Elizbaeth (00:16:51) - They just lost me at no caffeine. I don't even care about like the foundations of their beliefs. I'm just like, I can't drink coffee. No, wait. I want no part of your I want no part of your business.
*Lauren * (00:17:02) - This is unbelievable.
*Bethany * (00:17:03) - And isn't there caffeine in chocolate? Yes. Like you can't have chocolate. Wait a minute. I know.
*Lauren * (00:17:07) - So I. Wait, wait. We're talking about America now. We're talking about the coffee.
Elizbaeth (00:17:12) - No coffee. Can you imagine?
*Bethany * (00:17:14) - What if you don't think they have any? Yeah.
*Lauren * (00:17:16) - If you want no.
*Bethany * (00:17:17) - Stimulants.
Elizbaeth (00:17:19) - In your coffee, forget it. Forget it. You're done. You can't roll with those people.
*Lauren * (00:17:23) - I bet you they cheat. They're like, Oh, look, A tea. A tea. That's like some sort of gunpowder, green tea thing. That's like getting them all peppy. Like, it's not coffee. It's not coffee. I just steeped it for 20 minutes. I don't.
*Bethany * (00:17:35) - Know. I think it's worse. I think they don't do that. And that's what makes me sad is that they don't even fib it. I think they're really, like, into it.
*Lauren * (00:17:44) - Wow. So no caffeine. Like, not coffee Nazi. Not soda. No soda?
Elizbaeth (00:17:51) - No, I don't think so.
*Lauren * (00:17:53) - Just watch.
*Bethany * (00:17:53) - Her and tropical cocktails.
*Lauren * (00:17:55) - Yeah. Wow. My family. Yeah, actually.
Elizbaeth (00:17:57) - Actually, my parents might make great Mormons now that I think about it. If they could get on board with, like, the belief system, they could.
*Lauren * (00:18:04) - Have you ever tried to make your family be alcoholics like you? Did you ever try to share your your charms and skills?
Elizbaeth (00:18:12) - No.
Elizbaeth (00:18:12) - No, I, I, I tried once. My dad my dad, ironically, was the first one to, to let me try beer, but he almost intentionally drank bad beer, I think. Or maybe he just didn't know. But he was like, Here's beer. You should try this. You're going to hate it. And then I was like, Yeah, this is terrible. And then, you know, I didn't that was a lie. And and now, like I said, I am the only really big drinker in my family, so I'm not even a big drinker. I'm just a big drinker relative to like, not like a family of non drinkers.
*Lauren * (00:18:49) - Right. But you're also a functional alcoholic, too.
Elizbaeth (00:18:52) - Yeah, but I say functional alcoholic. And I mean, like, I have a glass of wine a day.
*Lauren * (00:18:58) - Oh, that's just cool. Getting through life. That's. Yeah.
Elizbaeth (00:19:01) - And then. And then the occasional intermittent, like wild night where I come home and sing Miley Cyrus to a dog.
Elizbaeth (00:19:08) - You know, it's legal weapon.
*Lauren * (00:19:11) - It's like you're a normal person. You're being hard on yourself. A dysfunctional alcoholic. Yeah.
Elizbaeth (00:19:16) - Well, you know.
*Bethany * (00:19:17) - What I'm saying? I'm.
Elizbaeth (00:19:19) - I'm a midwestern wasp. That's. That's the upbringing. That's the vibe. That's the brand.
*Lauren * (00:19:24) - The brand. Midwest. I didn't know there were Midwest. Don't know anything about the Midwest. So just assume. I don't know. They're all very few Italians.
Elizbaeth (00:19:33) - If you want to be offended by Italian food, come to the Midwest And and I don't mean like Chicago. I mean like central Iowa.
*Lauren * (00:19:41) - That sounds intense. Do they have alcohol there, though?
Elizbaeth (00:19:43) - They have alcohol. But I mean, it's not enough alcohol and it's not a good enough kind of alcohol to, like make a bad cannoli go away. You know.
*Lauren * (00:19:53) - It's this soggy. I bet they're soggy.
Elizbaeth (00:19:56) - Oh, yeah.
*Lauren * (00:19:57) - Oh, my God. That's offensive to my people.
Elizbaeth (00:20:00) - Yeah, There's no there's no attempt at diversity of flavor in those.
Elizbaeth (00:20:05) - Like, there's no pistachio. There's nothing. There's nothing.
*Lauren * (00:20:08) - Wow.
Elizbaeth (00:20:09) - It's just they're usually, like, vacuum sealed in a styrofoam little plate at a grocery store. Wow.
*Lauren * (00:20:16) - Or there, you know, I complain about my family. It's looking better and better. We have. We have granola bars. Okay? We fucking yell at each other, but at least, you know, I can eat. It's great having you two here. So glad you're here. We all have. The thing is, the more of the stories, we all have crazy families. That's the thing. And our own special way. So tell people where can they come find you guys? Where they can They come, do whatever, do whatever they do on the internet.
Elizbaeth (00:20:42) - We are at bad medicine. You can find us on Instagram and TikTok. We're at bad medicine. Comedy, that's all. Bethany, what day is our show or do you want to keep this evergreen? Oh, yeah.
*Bethany * (00:20:55) - I already said the date, but earlier, so I'll say it again.
*Lauren * (00:20:59) - It'll go out before that.
*Bethany * (00:21:00) - Okay. So you can also follow improv. That's where we have about four mainstage shows a year. The next one will be September 26th, and you can find me at Bethany's All Right on Instagram and TikTok, but I'm not very good at that.
Elizbaeth (00:21:16) - We also teach sketch writing classes at DC Improv, and we host Sketch Night there every other month. And I am at Kempe Tacular on both TikTok and Instagram.
*Lauren * (00:21:27) - Okay. All right. We'll go look for you there mean so we could see you and we'll see you in person Elizabeth we can meet you and see what you look like.
Elizbaeth (00:21:35) - That's right. That's right. Just just look for the flash of blinding white light.
*Lauren * (00:21:40) - Okay. All right. I'm like, is it Jesus reborn or is it Elizabeth Kemp? Nope.
*Bethany * (00:21:46) - It's Elizabeth coming out of the bathroom. Yeah.
*Lauren * (00:21:49) - All right. Well, thank you guys so much. Thank you.
*Bethany * (00:21:52) - Thank you so much for having us.
*Lauren * (00:21:54) - Thank you to everyone who has made this podcast possible.
*Lauren * (00:21:56) - Thank you to Annie McCUTCHEON for editing Edward Silla at Radio Misfits Podcast Network, Maddie McLennan for making the podcast art. And of course, thank you to my fellow misfits for supporting art that helps support us. So thank you and we'll see you soon.
Speaker 5 (00:22:23) - The preceding was a presentation of the Radio Misfits Podcast Network. Find our other great shows on iTunes, Stitcher Radio, and at Radio Misfits. Thank you.
Episode 1 - Kevin Aviance
00:00.26
laurenlogi
Perfect, okay, great. Well thank you the Kevin aance queen of the queens of all queens everywhere for coming on mrs's making it. Um I worked at restaurant florant.
00:01.97
Kevin Aviance
If you have are more happy.
00:19.60
laurenlogi
During the last days and yeah legend and I work the overnight shift as a host and I would ah do drag different characters drag queen drag king every night.
00:21.49
Kevin Aviance
Um, Wow Wow that places that was a legend there.
00:38.43
Kevin Aviance
Aha.
00:39.32
laurenlogi
And everyone there was like you must listen to these songs and they would be playing music a lot a lot. Um, and so that's how I how I first um, came to know your work. It was essential listening. Ah.
00:57.68
laurenlogi
For anyone trying to do art in New York city of of all kinds. So.
00:59.19
Kevin Aviance
Yeah, apparently so you know it's so Funny. You know when you're on that end of it. You know do develop you, You're making stuff and everything and then you find out these stories about how your colleagues or peers whoever is listening to music and you don't really get the senses of like. How much music you're actually putting out and how many how much your music music. It's different when you're putting music out and you're selling stuff and it's different if you putting music out and it actually is people are actually listening it to it and you don't really know you know, really gauging anything on how your popularity is going because it's Underground. You know what? I mean So it's kind of like.
01:33.80
laurenlogi
Um, yeah.
01:36.99
Kevin Aviance
You know I mean I was doing well with the music I knew that it was selling. Everything's great, but it's just you know at the same time.. It's one of those things where you don't really know you know what? I mean how things are are in my management at the time everything just it was so Sloppy. So I mean I'm not trying to say I was perfect when it came to. Knowing everything cause I really wasn't I did I just put stuff out. Did you know they became number one and stuff like that. But you just don't know still you know to me, you don't know so apparently did I did something right? You know.
01:57.72
laurenlogi
Yeah.
02:06.49
laurenlogi
Yeah, ah absolutely and then I came to then I bumped into your friend Daniel Resnick someone you know from back in the day at least amazing and she was.
02:12.91
Kevin Aviance
I Yeah I What actually grew up together. We grew up in high school. So yeah.
02:22.88
laurenlogi
Waxing on about how what an amazing person you are so it's like I know you as an artist and you also go well recommended by someone I know through Instagram as just like ah, an amazing human. Um.
02:32.65
Kevin Aviance
Right? So yeah, we grew up together. She was 30 She was the Lesbian that lived the River Dumer tri and she was always the same same person never changed and um, you know we've got an older and everything there. We have a mutual friend between us my best friend Bethel and um between us. So. That's how we. Reconnected with each other that.
02:54.68
laurenlogi
I Love it I Love it and um, what do you think I mean you've had have you kept yourself like your good person heart. How have you kept that through all of your art making all throughout your career.
03:09.59
Kevin Aviance
Ah so God is very very prevalent in my life from beginning to its from from back then to even now um as it as as as a goodnatured person I don't know if I would say that because I've made some really bad decisions and done some really things that are just like you know, no one's perfect.
03:24.96
laurenlogi
No.
03:26.31
Kevin Aviance
But I for somehow somewheres somehow you navigate this whole process and you really v you you I Guess you don't determine whether you're good or bad at the end of the whole round and of the life right? so.
03:36.98
laurenlogi
Hi.
03:41.95
Kevin Aviance
What I try to do is at least to at least hear people and to realize everyone's experience is different and to know that their experience with you is different. Everybody has the same experience with you that everyone has so you tried to be at least a little bit from what you were. To now I mean you have to hold onto something right? and you have to like you have to just be Good. You know I mean you have to be if you're bad. You're bad. You know what? I mean I mean that's just you can't change that you know what I mean you can make it better make yourself better, but you know.
04:08.93
laurenlogi
Yeah I mean.
04:17.14
Kevin Aviance
You're good you when you're good. You're good. You know I mean I'm not a bad person is that I just go through a lot of drama. Yeah yeah, you have to deal with it. You have to be you know there's a way of dealing with things and being um, being your character is I guess is important. You know what I mean it's just.
04:20.77
laurenlogi
Yeah, or the world gives you drama and you got a deal with it.
04:36.63
Kevin Aviance
You know I had the regrets but I I also know that you could be better. You know what? I mean wherever you are in life. So yeah.
04:45.77
laurenlogi
Yeah, you it one are your interviews you said, um in the beginning you weren't there. Ah what did you mean by that.
04:51.26
Kevin Aviance
Oh girl I was lit girl. That's what I mean I was lit and just living living the very life of being a you know a black gay man in New York City and all the Kucha monster came with it and thank god I could stand here in front of you to be here in front of you right now to just even. Interview be really different if I didn't make it because I wouldn't be here right now. So when I say about preence I said ah I mean that I was there but my mind body and soul is really weird it out so you know I yeah girl it's just.
05:29.30
laurenlogi
Um.
05:30.72
Kevin Aviance
It's like you take yourself with these journeys and sometimes you just you're picking up things along the way and you just have the like you know, straight up why right school later you know, translate you're 59 so before like you know.
05:41.95
laurenlogi
Ah.
05:44.85
laurenlogi
Red.
05:49.67
Kevin Aviance
You don't want to be like you were with you at 25 you don't mean I die don't I can't I can't I won't make it a again girl you know.
05:55.88
laurenlogi
Yeah, yeah, like um I was there during the the last days of the tunnel I feel like like I My older friends were Gen X and having all the fun and then finally when I was like old enough to join them. It was like all ending. Everything was I was there at the end of the tunnel The end of florant like the end of the good old day.
06:17.51
Kevin Aviance
Yeah, yeah, they're so funny I thought I had a curse on me because every club I worked at they all closed. So I was like it got really bad for me like really like mentally I was like oh am I the Queen to close everything down like every um I was like.
06:33.81
laurenlogi
Um.
06:35.77
Kevin Aviance
Started to rain in even from Boy bar down they all closed and I was just like boy what the is going on here. You know what I mean it was really bad I Really it was just like palladium and tunnel and it's just really weird does roxy. You know they all closed down while I was still you know raining Coop so it was kind of like weird for me.
06:54.20
laurenlogi
Yeah, where did it where did the party go after that.
06:55.75
Kevin Aviance
Very strange. You know. I don't know where Brooklyn I left. Yeah I left war I left new that doing that transition I left New York went to Florida got to work on myself. So yeah.
07:02.85
laurenlogi
Yeah, yeah, it's like now it's Brooklyn. Yeah.
07:12.72
laurenlogi
Wow where in Florida were you wow wow I wonder if you know my cousin. What's up. What yeah, my cousins I a big gay down there. Yeah victim moro. Yeah.
07:16.57
Kevin Aviance
I was for lot of now for 6 years
07:25.32
Kevin Aviance
Um, and I love victor. Yes, little short victor you the girl I know think very well girl. Ah, ah.
07:30.76
laurenlogi
Victor. He asked victor. Yeah.
07:41.48
laurenlogi
Ah.
07:43.28
Kevin Aviance
Roll on Wow So is there is pretty on his side. Ah.
07:43.38
laurenlogi
Things were kind of yeah. Ah, ah so funny. Ah yeah I see him when I go down sometimes I'll go down to like the Miami area to do some comedy and hang out during the winter but get away from New York
07:55.44
Kevin Aviance
I Hope for that one girls hate for that one I picked the girl Anyway, sorry.
08:12.83
laurenlogi
Um, and then I'll go see him he always he has in his freezer he has like slices of Brooklyn pizza as I'm sure you know these things about him.
08:23.50
Kevin Aviance
So finding Oh my god.
08:24.94
laurenlogi
Yeah I love him. Yeah, so funny. So you're in Florida and what I mean what is must you you went there to go work on yourself I guess when it was like.
08:34.24
Kevin Aviance
After my beating. So so my be I was I was beaten them was killed the really beat was killed so but right so I just I had to wait I went there to do a gig just after the this is after my five month of having my mouth wire shut and stuff and I got a couple of gigs and stuff like that I was in Florida and my.
08:39.13
laurenlogi
Right? after the hate crime. Yeah.
08:53.53
Kevin Aviance
Best girl a good girlfriend of mine named a d who was the the founder and developer of Steeler Mac steelo mas um Steelo makeup still ah, still let youo and she sold it estela um, she ah she saw me and she was like you're gonna be dead in the air if you don't stay here with me I was like.
09:03.41
laurenlogi
Yep.
09:12.90
Kevin Aviance
She said I know you and I know this she said you'll be dead in here and I was like 80. What are you talking about? she goes you have to stay you have to give yourself a break and just breathe a little bit and just like well to make a long story short. She's not around with us anymore and um, little did I know this goodest lady. Um, this girl I felt like she you know she whatever life she had that was going to that she had she gave me life to like be able to like deal with what I had to deal with twice of the beauty school at the time and. And just kind of like met these these amazing black Island girls that really helped to reshape me again and I'm so grateful to these girls. Um this beauty school that I went to during this time and they really show be how to respect myself again and to. And it sounds really strange but something about being around a bunch of black women. Really.. It gave me a piece of home and I felt very protected I felt very they just they just wrapped their arms around me and just kind of like gave me a purpose just to even live and so started doing black hair which they they'd say like I can do air. Yes.
10:29.23
laurenlogi
Man.
10:33.10
Kevin Aviance
But they do floor load the other there's a difference I can do hair with anyone I can do anybody's hair but I worked in a black salon doing black hair which is the whole other drama in Florida and it was Ben the abouttic hair and so I um loved it and it just kind of like gave me.
10:40.12
laurenlogi
1 minute
10:51.61
Kevin Aviance
Gave me such a purpose and a sense of like what I could do with my hands without being Kevin Obbiance the drag queen your performer. Whatever and I just felt really I felt like I was coming back to myself and rightfully so I did and. It was amazing and stuff like that and to the point that I realized that it was time for me to go back to come back to New York my hips had given out on me. Um, you know I used to wear stileileto heels 24 hours a day and comes to find out I do a lot of wear and tear my hips. My hips were like when you look at the x-ray they looked like ah.
11:17.74
laurenlogi
And.
11:26.88
laurenlogi
Wow.
11:27.27
Kevin Aviance
Coral reefs and so so getting your hips done in Florida is like you know I didn't have insurance and and and in New York it was a different story if I just had a you know address you know what? I mean so I came back to New York and got my address and then was able to get my surgery done within.
11:38.70
laurenlogi
Yeah.
11:46.21
Kevin Aviance
You know 6 months after getting going back to New York and then they had 2 surgeries done way year apart and so during that time I just like got myself together. Got myself back on that pole I guess and and.
11:57.68
laurenlogi
And.
12:01.98
Kevin Aviance
Pandemic happened and that's when I cocooned myself and came out said I was not going into this thing I was gonna do something to Coccoon myself and come back come out as a butterfly you know I mean and it's what I did to pull myself through school with deejing and um took some online classes and just.
12:07.32
laurenlogi
Not my list.
12:20.90
Kevin Aviance
Equipment and just sat up in his house and just redevelloped myself and repositioned my my my whole in alignment with the universe little did I know what I was doing was exactly that lining up with the universe and forgiving myself and just allowing myself to breathe and.
12:31.24
laurenlogi
And test.
12:38.93
Kevin Aviance
You know when you when you when you had such a big life that I had and and to David it all chopped away from you like that people have no idea what I was doing at that time with no management with nobody telling me what to do I was doing so much and this beating happened and it just took it all away and so I just you know I was like little little engine that.
12:43.10
laurenlogi
Ah.
12:58.84
Kevin Aviance
That could not do anything who not even fix anything and so I had to leave and by by leaving allowing myself and be and be okay with that was such a big thing for me and to come back I was good as I did what I did I don't care you know I mean that's whatever, but whatever happens happens.
13:06.00
laurenlogi
Um.
13:15.98
Kevin Aviance
What I was saying and that's not that's not so happy is that so healthy to say something like that and then what that mean, whatever happens happens. What does that mean, what does that actually mean I I end up being like a statistic or a story and you know I had to stop saying like that. So I kept separating Kevin from Eric Eric'sne to Kevin Aviance and
13:23.10
laurenlogi
You? Yeah yeah.
13:35.96
Kevin Aviance
That wasn't healthy so here I am I'm but biging condition I have conditions and all this military stuff happening which I never had before it was really a mess you know and then final like I begave myself for not being whatever everybody.
13:46.45
laurenlogi
Um, and.
13:52.88
Kevin Aviance
Thought I was wearing to be or what I was going to be alike and everything and I just said you know I'm not dead. You know as let me and it's about is about your universe. You know I mean when you get a lot universe it though. What is there set for you. It's already set for you. It's already there you just Gotnna stop fighting it. You know I mean.
13:59.90
laurenlogi
Yeah, ah.
14:10.13
laurenlogi
Um, um, yeah.
14:12.67
Kevin Aviance
Stop fighting and you know the lessons you're gonna learn. You're still gonna learn more lessons but it's not gonna be so like dramatic anymore. It's like either get with the program or not you know.
14:22.10
laurenlogi
Right? How do you get with the program like how do you stop worrying and fine.
14:27.67
Kevin Aviance
You just have to you have to just ah, you have to just put those shoes on and they start walking. You're going to be. You can't move back. You can't you can't you can't fix what you've already done but you have control of you.
14:37.14
laurenlogi
A child.
14:43.53
laurenlogi
And.
14:46.61
Kevin Aviance
Future and you have a troll of what you want you have you have the controlll of that and I I always say you know I always say I don't have much empathy for other people when it comes to their problems and and it's bad because when you're a club kid. It's like. You have to really worry about your yourself. You know what I mean and it gets so selfish at at the end of the day that all that stuff becomes very minute and you're so you're left there with your character and you and you know I just had to like just put one foot in front of the other and do it and stop trying to.
15:04.58
laurenlogi
Right now.
15:23.60
Kevin Aviance
Because apparently I did the work. You know what? I mean I did the work So so allow myself to let the work be and let it let it flourish I was really kind of stopping it from ever's role. You know I mean and then with that pandemic it. It gave me such a break to just breathe. You know what? I mean.
15:23.67
laurenlogi
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
15:34.97
laurenlogi
Ah.
15:42.50
laurenlogi
Um, yeah.
15:42.68
Kevin Aviance
And I people did I've come my best friend died during my a lot of friends I had twin some friends that passed away during that time. So you know I I got from just covid but from other things so it was very like it did all this souls searcharching drama cleansing. All this stuff was going on with me during the pandemic. It was really really rough. Really rough all at 1 time and then here I am now today going what the hell is going on. You know I mean like wow you know this is like this is this is like and it happens that's what happens when you put the work it. This is what happens.
16:10.98
laurenlogi
Um, Madam. Wow.
16:17.43
laurenlogi
Yeah.
16:20.74
Kevin Aviance
When you put the work in you got to recognize it and you can't stop your your your your your so your satellite from beaming. You can't stop it. You know when you do the work. This is what happens you know, then you got to be ready for that. You know.
16:33.83
laurenlogi
Um, yeah, what? yeah, what's the work like what would you get because it's see 1 thing. It seems when you're saying the work is that you've like in times of crisis going.
16:37.84
Kevin Aviance
Have to be ready.
16:48.72
laurenlogi
Back to like a class or some sort of educational setting has been like a no.
16:52.30
Kevin Aviance
That's like 1 way of working and another work is like you know all the music I put out beforehand you know for number one so several top ten s you know all that stuff is part. That's the work. That's that's your that's my Dossier. You know what I mean and so. You think you're gonna make it is that about making it. It's about being consistent I think that's what it's about you have to be because it's about what you're doing when you're doing the work. You know what I mean and you can't really worry about what people have to say you can't really worry about you just keep going why why are you? Why are you so frustrated and and.
17:12.97
laurenlogi
I have.
17:23.99
Kevin Aviance
And because because we all want to be the it girl We all want to be that child. You know we all went out and and but what goes up comes down if you accept that fine is not the end of the world and just because you're down Doesn't mean that that that is it's gonna be no more that doesn't That's that's not the true age.
17:25.70
laurenlogi
Not now.
17:40.12
laurenlogi
Yep.
17:43.77
Kevin Aviance
Has got such a bad rep for being older. You know I mean it's like I'm older now I'm 22 you I mean I'm not 20 I'm never gonna be 22 and never would be that size again I'm never gonna look like that again it that and it's okay, it's fine all but okay.
17:46.53
laurenlogi
Um, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
17:56.44
laurenlogi
Did yeah yeah, right? Yeah yeah.
18:02.21
Kevin Aviance
You know what? I mean we we as gay men where we're so we don't know that because all our forefathers died. We have nobody look up to that's older. They're all dead. You know so it's kind of like what what does that look like what does that pitch in like who has the handbook for that. No one does you know I mean so now.
18:10.85
laurenlogi
No, not.
18:18.00
laurenlogi
Yeah.
18:20.83
Kevin Aviance
Living and we don't know do each other We can't even socialize with each other. We can't even talk to each other. It's such a big deal where I see people my age and we sitting there talking. It's it such a big thing and say oh this is so Retro is up now we're happy to see each other and what's going on what are you doing? That's what you're doing you know, stop with this whole like oh.
18:28.70
laurenlogi
Death.
18:39.49
laurenlogi
Um, and this.
18:40.60
Kevin Aviance
My chiy boy I don't do no, that's the problem. It's like because we don't have the handbook to know what to do in ourselves at this age. You know what I mean so it's it. You know what do you do we all become leather boy leathermen and we all hand and leather ups and gun like come on. Got.
18:46.60
laurenlogi
Your hand.
18:54.15
laurenlogi
Um, now.
18:55.95
Kevin Aviance
Like I'm not putting it down but it's just kind of like oh we become bears and we come like it's like it's it's funny. You don't do me. It's like no know that that black Queen girl where where do I fit.
19:00.49
laurenlogi
Yeah, right? right? Yeah like I I feel like I'm gonna be I now I'm like I'm more in the com I mean I created a lot of characters who are essentially drag Queens and gigs. But just they talk and they're sketch comedy but like and and just stand up and other types of and I'm like I'm doing Um, when am I gonna ever stop like people have been like oh so you do things my own dad was like well you try you for a minute and if you don't make it. You gotta to quit I'm like what I'm going to be doing this.
19:20.29
Kevin Aviance
Right.
19:37.70
laurenlogi
I Just got I'm just gonna be doing this until and like my walker like this is just what I do like that's just Baseline of like what I knew.
19:42.37
Kevin Aviance
Right? right? exactly and that's okay, it's fine is like you say it just it. It's okay, that's what I've decided to do This is what I am this is who I am this is what it is you.
19:47.28
laurenlogi
Now.
19:54.99
laurenlogi
Yeah, but yeah and I do feel that I feel like as I get older I feel like more I feel the looks of people like well shouldn't you. Isn't this time to quick because people start dropping off as you know like people everyone starts out and then like as the years go by.
20:10.97
Kevin Aviance
Yeah, yeah, yeah, and what I'm sorry I'm so sorry that's mooped up the need to do what you have to do for yourself and bravo your death for that decision.
20:25.61
laurenlogi
And.
20:30.70
Kevin Aviance
But that's not my story honey I'm not done and I and if I'm done I'm done girl you don be your your word. What your meaning of done and my meaning of done 2 different is girl. You know.
20:35.86
laurenlogi
Um.
20:45.72
laurenlogi
Yep I love that I love that I'm gonna have it put on up tattooed I'm not done.
20:53.25
Kevin Aviance
Ah, but in screw is like done. No girl I'm a done yet girl still country girl and I never felt like this before so allow me to feel like this and allow me to have that.
20:55.33
laurenlogi
Yeah. I love.
21:08.93
Kevin Aviance
Like allow me to have to to have a new mood new experiences allow me to have new things happen to me, you know what? I mean allow me to to be 50 5 or 54 wherever I am and just just and just be who I am if you know I mean people say you look so good feel good I'm like.
21:17.61
laurenlogi
Um, and then.
21:23.63
laurenlogi
Yeah.
21:27.54
Kevin Aviance
Girl I don't look anything like I do as a kid that's fine I'm done. Yeah I look good. Yeah I think I look good I mean a little more beat fine. You know what I mean but I just I feel good. You know what I mean and that if I it didn't feel good that I wouldn't be able to do what I'm doing.
21:38.33
laurenlogi
Yeah. Yeah, yeah, hell yeah how yeah and how do you deal with like um, being misunderstood as an artist you know having some people get it I'm sorry um.
21:44.67
Kevin Aviance
I Still with me doing it though.
21:52.74
Kevin Aviance
Well that I play your artist right? That's why you're an artist right? If you're not misunderstood that you're definitely not an artist. Ah ah I mean co one but I mean Rocket size girl I mean it's just like you know.
22:07.34
laurenlogi
Ah, right.
22:12.12
Kevin Aviance
It's it's it's about it's about putting your putting your ex in a row and this is what you do in collecting those things and that's how you do that? That's it and that's where you get the the little list then you give it. That's what I can do you and and allow me to be in a that allow me to come out that box. You know what? I mean allow me to do new stuff too.
22:23.10
laurenlogi
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
22:31.90
Kevin Aviance
That's where I have a problem. They're not even willinging to listen to the new stuff you know I mean unless you're funny I mean I was trying to get new stuff out of there and you know it's funny now now that I'm on I now that I am on the guys. The tip on people's tongues I guess are with the hope Beyond Um, and that's really fab.
22:34.35
laurenlogi
The.
22:46.24
laurenlogi
Go ahead.
22:51.80
Kevin Aviance
And I trust me girl I'm going to take it a run. Um, but I I know I am very it's it makes me ah laugh because before that before the this past year happened um it was really hard. It was really hard to get through.
22:54.28
laurenlogi
Um.
23:10.76
Kevin Aviance
Was really so struggling with with with people and and my my my purpose in what I was doing. You know what I mean and now it's like oh you would hear the stuff now. Okay well, but here it is ah ah ah you know.
23:11.98
laurenlogi
Um, and and.
23:15.84
laurenlogi
The.
23:22.82
laurenlogi
Yeah, ah yeah, exactly you like I've been doing it like well people will be like oh all of a sudden something good happens and they're like oh that happened out of nowhere and you're like I've been do it I haven't stopped.
23:29.81
Kevin Aviance
Like thank you Jesus girl. Ah.
23:42.75
laurenlogi
Doing this a one day.
23:48.76
Kevin Aviance
It just makes me laugh I'm sorry if laugh I just I just I just but it is different. It is way different back then I felt like I was running I felt I was just like like ah like a. Like a mouse inside of a some sort of like stuff up Er Oh like hey girl. Okay I'm walking I'm like hello you know it's a little bit. Also yes yes I have yes I Yes, Yes, that' pain you the you being.
24:06.63
laurenlogi
Yeah, yeah, the way.
24:17.74
laurenlogi
Um.
24:24.83
Kevin Aviance
Bit A humble, the humbleness comes that comes across that that has to happen and that has to happen asac Asap because you have to be ready. You got to be ready. You know what I mean because you'd never know would someone touch your life that and that lets you know exactly that humans touch each other and things happen.
24:25.30
laurenlogi
Ah, and.
24:34.72
laurenlogi
I had.
24:42.67
laurenlogi
You live.
24:44.40
Kevin Aviance
You know what? I mean there's that connect human connection is so important with people and what you do with yourself. You know what? I mean it's like you can't you. There's very few people who are out here that don't need nobody you I mean Elon muskin those they need they need people. You know you need people.
24:59.50
laurenlogi
Um, yeah.
25:03.86
Kevin Aviance
You people need people get do it without people you know I mean so you got to you know you could be avan guard a rich and know freaky Friday looking whatever that you still need people.
25:05.99
laurenlogi
Um, yeah, hi. Ah yeah.
25:22.16
laurenlogi
Yeah, well, it's I I get frustrated when it's like it feels that people are um, they they are respond to the lowest common denominator situation Or. Um, the environment in which you put out art now which I find like you know you put out things online. It just like where's the complex. Where's the like you know the stuff that is multi-layered and ah.
25:51.46
Kevin Aviance
So so. So for instance I Just did I don't know if you saw that new cover for my new single and it's called body. We're going the same thing I Just you just said and I went.
25:53.12
laurenlogi
Edgy in a way that yeah, it just got I Where is it.
26:00.61
laurenlogi
Yeah.
26:10.34
Kevin Aviance
Well then I'm gonna have to go there I'm gonna have to go there like go beyond my fantasies and go beyond if everybody on image out there then I have to go beyond and not be worried about aesthetically if they could get that real time you know what? I mean like that was my whole thing.
26:24.11
laurenlogi
No.
26:28.33
Kevin Aviance
And obviously because I have a brother problem sometimes for airbrushing and all that stuff. So I said you know what I want to go there big this picture goes as crazy as possible and let's let's it has some inspiration seems to other artist stuff that I that I was doing some research on the queens that so so I found this person that um, ah Pierre. Um. Last name anyway. So this queen did these multiple layers of their arms and limbs and they were like like sex pictures sex pose pictures that almost and they were very sex positive as the sense of like that what she's where when he's wearing she's wearing and and. Comes about he che when he was done with his art. He killed himself because he was just done and when you see these pictures. You're like wow like how did this person back in 19 whatever find you know one of these multilayer limbs and stuff and then puts his face on and it like it's the that you're just this alien and I was just like. We're so with all the ai stuff is going on right now and and and the the the I and how we perceive things now is not so normal to what we did back in the day you know it's like our eyes are really trained now with. We can't look at things normal anymore because we don't even know it's normal. So.
27:38.63
laurenlogi
And and yeah.
27:43.39
Kevin Aviance
That's why I have a problem with what's going on in the world with all this republicans and and Killings and there was I Just your eye is so different now. Why do you want to be still be the same. Why do you have this as peak people that were making us go backwards I Just don't understand. It's like people.
27:52.54
laurenlogi
Yeah. So.
28:00.89
Kevin Aviance
They want to hold on they want to hold on so much to the past and what they're doing is just they're not opening up that there's so much in the future. They are so pretty in the future and they're holding on to the past it makes no sense hitting in the Jetsons are right here in front of you and you're still sitting in the wallston.
28:07.87
laurenlogi
Ah, yeah.
28:10.67
laurenlogi
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
28:20.12
laurenlogi
Yeah, and it's like it's had. It's like kind of too late like a lot of these things I'm like it's the it's too late. It's the kids are off and running. They're like way past this.
28:20.24
Kevin Aviance
I Don't get it.
28:30.29
Kevin Aviance
Yeah, Okay so I ran into somebody that was very ambiguously looking like I didn't know where they were black white Green Yellow I didn't know what race they were I didn't know so I went to the dispersous guy asked. It. We started to talk it. We hit off really well and I was just say. Listen What's your rationality. He's why and I go could I can figure you out why you trying to figure me out and I said because he said you guys did he said listen I'm Africanamerican I said really how he I am. He told me why he wasn't but he was and I was like okay.
29:02.30
laurenlogi
Um.
29:06.39
Kevin Aviance
But he looked like he was from martinique or like so like the Panama or something I didn't know something was just very just like this this thing about him that was so I'd never seen before and and and then I realized that well that's what this new these new kids look like these new babies that are out oh babies you can.
29:22.34
laurenlogi
And.
29:26.37
Kevin Aviance
<unk> So beautiful that you don't know whether they're male on female or H did what air grow. They just did these these balls of just energy and they wo up their ipads and they're just like calm I'm like Wow wear the screaming baby ball. You know I mean there're no more screaming babies.
29:28.68
laurenlogi
And that.
29:45.73
Kevin Aviance
Babies are like you give them that ipad and they're done like they're like know. So do they big. There's a big change in just human development I think the way humans are you know I mean so I don't know I don't know where we're going with this conversation but it's cute.
29:46.93
laurenlogi
Yeah.
30:00.53
laurenlogi
but but I think that's how it's like about the environment in which we're creating and and then um it feels in that invite I feel like it's just the way that you put out art 5 minutes ago is different how you're going to put out art 10 minutes from now.
30:17.83
Kevin Aviance
Yeah, because you know what? no one has the you know I think what? what it is that we're so used to critiquing or or seeing someone else's art as as as that art you know note.
30:19.64
laurenlogi
Um, no.
30:27.27
laurenlogi
Yeah.
30:34.11
Kevin Aviance
They're gonna see our art and they're gonna I don't know what the era what where they're calling our era or what they're calling it. But it's gonna have a name and we're really part of it because we're all similar to each other and we're all doing that thing which for this time especially when it comes to performance. You know performance has you know has its roots to New York so you know that's that's you.
30:38.69
laurenlogi
Yeah.
30:48.60
laurenlogi
Um, and and.
30:52.98
Kevin Aviance
You could be a drag. We don't know you want to? But yeah, the fact of the matter that drag is performance art. You Knowt mean so that's the time of doing the time of what's going on right now. Especially now with the with the with the world trying to silence us. It's even it's it's a call to action. You know what? I mean so it's.
30:58.65
laurenlogi
Um, yeah, if.
31:09.19
laurenlogi
Yeah, yeah.
31:12.66
Kevin Aviance
Very political, very political and that's art you know.
31:14.50
laurenlogi
Yeah, and when you're making especially with your last single like do you have people telling you business on the business side telling you know that you can't do it that you should.
31:24.14
Kevin Aviance
I use that people on good decide. Yes, they in in the beginning. Yes now no, they're like more more more they do there. There's not been a question before earlier in my life. Yes.
31:30.70
laurenlogi
And.
31:43.25
Kevin Aviance
So dictating to me. He can't no must know now. No they dave they trust. They're trusty me with all of it now.
31:45.38
laurenlogi
No.
31:51.63
laurenlogi
Well do you demand that do minute before you work with someone.
31:55.59
Kevin Aviance
I have always I've always demanded it but ive I've not always gotten it. But sometimes you tell your name to the devil they they have to you know they dictate to you exactly how you're gonna be put out there and that's I mean that you can tell that o my for my first albums the second album first album until I had control second album I did not have patr and. It was really like hard for me to do to give it up but I learned so much through that time I learned so I learned things I've never learned before so that's you know when you when you are not the one that has the the education state of college and all that stuff. Um, you have to you and I'm I'm I am thirsty for it. So. You have to take your education the way you can take it. You know what? I mean so that that was the major learning thing for me, be signing to was Tony Moran and then ni to be out see for um, those that album.
32:46.52
laurenlogi
Yeah, and what would you tell someone who's in that situation where they're like you know, getting success and having these business people start dictating. This is how it's got to be thisbo.
32:57.28
Kevin Aviance
Keep yourself together. Keep yourself together. They people make decisions that that you're always going to you know, go with yours or they're not gonna see your vision completely that that you made a wrong decision. It's that you have to get something out of it. No matter what it is made Mountarily or.
33:15.10
Kevin Aviance
Spiritually or just getting education or being around put yourself around everything make sure you learn it you't I mean because that's your time to realize you do if you don't learn anything then then how are you gonna know whether it was wrong or right you know I mean you have to have to you can't be an artist and not learn. You have to learn something from it.
33:19.80
laurenlogi
Never.
33:28.30
laurenlogi
Um.
33:32.42
laurenlogi
Yeah.
33:33.27
Kevin Aviance
You know to mean that's how you this but you process progress to be better than you were from say the first piece of work you put out you know I mean so they got you, you have to they have to see it the progression and how it's gonna you do the same thing but progress in a way that that you know it becomes of. Matter of fact and and it comes of nature second nature and less of ah of of I can't do that and do anymore you know what? I mean it's like yeah so.
34:00.53
laurenlogi
Yeah, yeah, makes and you've been so much of what you've done I feel like you've you create art that's like on the cusp and like captures a ah moment and like some your so I like I'm like this is like listening to some of your music again I was like.
34:10.87
Kevin Aviance
Muslim.
34:18.11
laurenlogi
This feels like that I feel like I'm in the inside of the tunnel like it just captures that whatever say captured that feeling and like I I mean who knows how you do it. But how do you like? what do you think is contribute to your ability to do that.
34:33.71
Kevin Aviance
Um, be in it like that Joe out there being the soundtrack for it but but I'm up in it girl trust me I'm it I'm in it like like I'm in it girl trust her tell you so you know it's not just only my experience but my own my old my my my.
34:38.41
laurenlogi
Ah.
34:47.35
laurenlogi
Um, this one.
34:53.72
Kevin Aviance
Dna you know I mean it's in me, you know I I absorb it all so much. So yeah, me mean music has such a way of making you be that ear too. You know you could absorb so much it just music is ah, music is very powerful, very powerful.
34:57.44
laurenlogi
So yeah, so we are.
35:11.96
Kevin Aviance
Tool. Yeah.
35:14.24
laurenlogi
Yeah, absolutely to me, it's magic because it's not my It's not my skill set so people are able to do it I'm like ah that I don't know what you did but you just you made the thing. Yeah.
35:25.68
Kevin Aviance
Um.
35:26.73
laurenlogi
And then I'm feeling and I don't know what you did is super cool. So we always ask everyone They um their misfit moment the moment when you realize that the um, the traditional world was not free. You're like honored.
35:27.28
Kevin Aviance
To error.
35:41.75
Kevin Aviance
This is I think my moment was when go I think all my moments are mystery because they'd never been really done before by anybody. So yeah, there was there's this moment where I've been beginning Washington d c and.
35:57.21
laurenlogi
Um.
36:00.81
Kevin Aviance
Doing the March on Washington um, ah doing the aids quilts you know doing that whole time. Um I am doing countryti and I literally jumped off the state and walked down constitution avenue a performing the whole time for block for blocks.
36:08.28
laurenlogi
Um, and ah.
36:14.48
laurenlogi
Amazing.
36:19.35
Kevin Aviance
Blocks blocks like blocks and I came back. It is run way back and it got back on the stage that was a misfit moment for me. Um another misfit moment would be yeah that was a bit I'm I love that moment. Um. I guess before me at ah, performing at the um, the stadium in Montreal for black and blue like several times like that was like because youre only you that gi like once and have to add the done that gig like maybe 5 times so that was like you know and that was the thing about me like.
36:43.86
laurenlogi
And with.
36:56.84
Kevin Aviance
Where people would have 1 time being there I would be there like 2 or 3 times you know what I mean so that would be like you know, kind of because the way it was you know what? I mean it was just like Kevin we got ke to perform you know what? I mean it was. That's how effective I guess I was and just like so I always go back and see fro friends or.
37:01.70
laurenlogi
Um, that is.
37:16.26
Kevin Aviance
You know I would see people that I make friends with and it would be I out of the real degree I would see them because I had a gig there so I would go back to cities all the time and perform Boston montreal all of Japan you know so that was really great and um, you know and and my thing was like well you know. You're always somebody younger prettier you know, better music than it coming out and there were people coming out but there was always me you know I just I just kept going. You know to mean and just kind of like.
37:44.86
laurenlogi
Um.
37:47.14
laurenlogi
If.
37:50.65
Kevin Aviance
I Mean that girl I Love anything new and fresh. Yeah I Love new stuff fresh stuff. So I'm very support new artists and everything. So.
37:52.87
laurenlogi
How I mean a stadium. How do you eat come down from that because the energy that's being put back? yeah.
38:02.98
Kevin Aviance
You I stage. There's the stage you know I mean it's just a stage you know so you know you don't really, you don't really, you don't really know the numbers until you actually have already done it. You know what? I mean so you just kind of like you just kind of like.
38:15.90
laurenlogi
Oh.
38:21.11
Kevin Aviance
So it now with all the beyonce stuff and seeing what she's doing and with our stadiums and stuff like that. It's just amazing to see this woman perform and doing what she does and to be able to like be part of that you know this is. It's amazing. So yeah, yeah.
38:34.19
laurenlogi
But I mean because you're up there and then you feel like do you feel the energy of the whole stadium like.
38:41.69
Kevin Aviance
Oh you? Yeah you feel the old but delights are on you so you don't really, you can't really see at all you know I mean recently and when I did monkey I did the same thing and I did ah their gay pride and I was there with um with bag of chips back bag of chips. Theres name. No read up readta Bagga um. Rito had a all these rupad girls come on so I got to open up for all those girls and dejy for that section. So the stadiums are like empty and then all the is packed by the time I sets finish. The place is packed and so I gag because so many people there but as you know it's their gay pride. So. It's kind of incredible new girls come on. But. Really interesting to be in that be in that room with all those people I mean a lot of people I mean I mean the hundred peoples a lot of people for people when you get into a hundred thousands or you 10000 of it. It's just like whoa that that roars and incredible. Incredible.
39:22.60
laurenlogi
Yeah. Know yeah, it's like I just I get juiced after you know a hundred people in a room like I have trouble going to sleep the next. Even honestly. 20 people and of a really good audience I like it just that jeice from people really vibing with your material is really it makes it hard for me I can't imagine after a stadium I wouldn't sleep for days I think.
39:47.95
Kevin Aviance
Right. My My my thing my be my thing that helps bilby is a depression afterwards that cause the artist depression that whole like you riding high and then you get low because you do your next piece of work you know and that's the that's the rough part for Me. There's just the performance down. So Um I have to like literally.
40:03.30
laurenlogi
Yeah.
40:12.78
Kevin Aviance
Put myself in the bed and just like okay I'll be down for a couple of days but I have to be working on the next one you know, go ah.
40:18.80
laurenlogi
Well, that's how it brings it to our our misfit inspiration. Yeah cheesy, sad Effects El Love. So for when you're in those downs like what you're in bed as there any like you know. Book movie quote anything that you go to for that and for to get yourself up.
40:37.83
Kevin Aviance
You have to you have to get yourself in a mode of of taking another art. You have to get yourself in the mode of taking other things in whether it's reading whether it's magazines whether whatever you need you have to start filling yourself with that stuff because then then once your cup is running over. Then you could do itgainst but you have to do the work. The work is important if you know you get depressed. You know it is a don't stay bed the artist like come on go paint something go Paint. Don't paint anything write something do something opposite of what you do you know? what? I mean that's how that's that's that's I think is important.
40:58.26
laurenlogi
Ah, him.
41:06.64
laurenlogi
Um.
41:10.80
laurenlogi
Ahead.
41:16.60
Kevin Aviance
Things very important to constantly always you you put out. You got to put something back in. It's very important. Yeah.
41:23.38
laurenlogi
How you he? yeah and so I but I have a question from one of my characters. Um, so you'll meet her without her without her usual accoutrama ah, but um, she's her name Cynthia.
41:35.26
Kevin Aviance
The.
41:38.20
laurenlogi
Um, she's ah from westchester. Um, ah well, she'll tell you the rest? Um okay hi hi. It's been a day. Kevin. Um I don't know you but I've I've listened to you while tweaking very hard at the tunnel on a combination of Molly Special K and Zima um, like I try to tell those kids we trip so hard we didn't we were the first one to bend over on that dance floor cage am I right.
42:09.55
laurenlogi
All right? Kevin ah, you know I just feel so bad for these kids I feel like I just have a question for them like are they irresponsible. You know we we had places where we could be absolutely irresponsible and so um I wonder though you know some some.
42:10.34
Kevin Aviance
Um, this drew.
42:26.98
laurenlogi
Times it was fun sometimes we had a little bit too much fun. Um, but what what would you recommend to the the kids today they're choosing meditation off a tweak over t twinkling often I feel like maybe they're missing the boat sometimes so what would you recommend to? the kids should they loosen up.
42:40.72
Kevin Aviance
What you know what? I think was he was. We didn't have what they have and I think we had that back of those days we wouldn't have been doing what we were doing so they have a thing called a phone which we don't have a lot of documentation.
42:53.11
laurenlogi
No no.
42:59.63
Kevin Aviance
What we actually look like back in those days. Ah so these kids did this this phone thing is made the very responsible instead of like you know, kind of like not being a mess. So ah, we won't messy back in those days. Don't you think they're a little messy.
43:00.57
laurenlogi
Thank Goodness Oh my god.
43:12.32
laurenlogi
I so I very oh my god I was fingering Molly Ringwolt in the gogo cage but listen I was wondering now like are they gonna like is that going to inhibit them. We were messy. We were wrong.
43:18.20
Kevin Aviance
Yeah.
43:31.61
laurenlogi
Now you can be caught on tape doing that. It's a different do you feel that they're missing out on something.
43:36.45
Kevin Aviance
No I don't feel it. Miss. It's just it's just a generational thing So It's just that it's making people become more correct I think you know we weren't really correct that during those days you know I mean there's this freedom but yet some of us some of us was the borderline roode girl I mean border around just like not. Not being very ah, not being very odd. What's the word um not being very ah nice I did all right? So um, yeah I don't think they're doing anything wrong I think they're I think they're exactly where they need to be. Yeah.
44:00.83
laurenlogi
Well yeah, there was a little bit or hygienic. Sometimes I mean.
44:11.99
laurenlogi
I think you know that's so great I gonna I get a little bit hard on my son. You know I give him ah it was sixteenth birthday and I brought him shallow shots and and he didn't want them and I was like by your age I'd already been to rehab after 2 do year wise and 3 abortions I was like get.
44:23.61
Kevin Aviance
Um.
44:27.72
Kevin Aviance
Ah, but but.
44:32.46
laurenlogi
But perhaps it could have saved me some artache and a divorce you know a divorce like I had a you know my made some bad decisions during that all of that.
44:43.98
Kevin Aviance
Um, and how do you feel and I said the he feel that being I mean rest is cute right? Sleeping nice.
44:53.13
laurenlogi
Sleeping is nice. It is I been well I need to do little ambi in these days but you know yeah, all right? Kevin here a peach I love you I've I've tripped so hard to you.
45:05.63
Kevin Aviance
Um, like.
45:08.86
laurenlogi
For so many years I feel like I know you intimately deep in my pussy though I'm I'm gonna.
45:12.20
Kevin Aviance
Ah, oh my God Funny I Love it I Love it.
45:20.89
laurenlogi
Yeah, ah Cynthia is crazy I have a big boobs I stuff my butt I have a big wig and um and then I bring. People up on stage and I do a role play. It gets really wild with her. She's.
45:37.47
Kevin Aviance
Yeah, it's Wow Wow Reminds me. Um, it reminds you know I I A really great book growing up and it was called sibil I Love this I Love this book. So my I know sounds really strange but this book was just like.
45:44.65
laurenlogi
You know.
45:52.13
Kevin Aviance
Wow to me when I was a young kid I got this book and I just like if this was such a scandal to read like such a scandal read like I was just like but' crazy I read this book. It was like really fake and didn't had there be a character she had she had like 40 something different characters. There were people I own't but she only does go.
45:54.98
laurenlogi
Um, no yes.
46:10.58
laurenlogi
Um.
46:11.15
Kevin Aviance
Talked about like 12 of them and this book was just like wow I was like wow woman. It was my intent so you know I I I kind of love it when I meet somebody that can actually do characters. You don't mean I love that.
46:17.38
laurenlogi
Um.
46:23.38
laurenlogi
Well you I mean you're creating characters in your your drag persona.
46:31.44
Kevin Aviance
Yeah I do but she's always the same boy black wing though. Ah, ah like now is same in Eminem Een dates girls who.
46:42.21
laurenlogi
Ah.
46:45.58
laurenlogi
Um, um, ah well it certainly um, brings so much like light to the world. So like um for you know, the world is a brighter place. Um, forevermore the world. Um.
46:57.10
Kevin Aviance
Ah, the world. You know it's so funny. The world today is I feel like you know you're you're in history class and you see all this of this happened in history right? And there are like some earthquakes or whatever just whatever earthquakes are just like life just little things and then you're actually living it. Because life is just about your things together that you live and you document and then you experience things and it's just the way things are that you realize you're like okay this this is what a normal day in the world happens is things change. It's just that every day's different. You know, not.
47:16.70
laurenlogi
I had. Yeah.
47:32.49
Kevin Aviance
That because history is being made. It's just that's just life you and I mean and you just it's funny. Just funny.
47:34.60
laurenlogi
yeah yeah yeah I believe I was I read the elsa chapparelli ah autobiography because I went to go see her exhibit in in. Ah yeah, and in Paris when I was there and it was like insane. It was so good and.
47:46.10
Kevin Aviance
Um, a winsky.
47:53.38
laurenlogi
Ah, write her book and she was like a boss lady and she was just so dedicated to her art. But the thing was interesting is like she was writing to her more 2 and like it's like exactly like you're saying it wasn't like the like she's living life. She's trying to run a business and then this war happens and that she's trying to figure out life and it's all these moments. It's. Very different when it's lived. You know? Um, yeah, it's the day to day. Cool. So Kevin where can, um where can people come come find you and hang out with you and and.
48:12.96
Kevin Aviance
Um, you I yeah.
48:23.93
Kevin Aviance
Well, right now I'm on my tour on the countryti ball tour and I am pretty much piggybacking on the the beyonce tour at her tour. So I've do all these unicial parties after her party. So after her concert so I just did one and it was just in Atlanta and I did one for on Saturday night for it was was it was.
48:44.38
Kevin Aviance
I'll be in Miami I mean far lo another this weekend and then weekend after that to a week after that I'll be in baas so that.
48:51.68
laurenlogi
Yeah, so cool I mean super cool. The coolest of the cool. So excited for you and everything that's coming. So thank you for for joining us.
49:01.93
Kevin Aviance
Thank you, Thank you? you single coming!